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post Nov 25 2006, 07:26 PM
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Is magick ok for other religions because I am a very strong christian.
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post Nov 26 2006, 12:12 AM
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In addition to Joseph's observation that magick exists basically in all religions already, I wanted to share my logic on the marriage of 'standard relgion' and 'occult practices' specifically, from their respective locations in the social tapestry.

For one thing, by and large the occult is not religious - so there is ultimately very little that will actually conflict with most religions, once you get around things like godforms, deity worship, etc., which are an aspect of some occult paths.

The really great aspect of the Occult as a total philosophy, albeit interpreted from many different angles, is that it has by its very nature many different levels of applicable interpretation. The process of actualizing magick in any form, the mythology, the symbolism, all of it serves to explain processes in our minds, in our hearts, and in our society and world, and theorizes on how to use those processes to our advantage. This philosophy opens the mind to accept whatever level of possibility it is capable of accepting. If you will only accept that change only happens in the mind, and that all other change begins there, then that is your scope of possibility, and it stands perfectly out of the way of religion.

As a personal note on why this question is asked in the first place, I don't intend to aggravate anyone's sensibilities but so that there is plenty of perspective available, here it is.

Many religions, IMO christianity especially, in all its permutations, has a system of teachings built into it by those people who have passed the power down through the generations of popes, bishops, etc., establishing cannon which inhibits their followers from accepting occult teaching as part of their worldview, not because they believe it to be evil (or maybe not originally, who knows what they think now, eventually a lie can become the truth, it's origins omitted by those who would see it propagate in the following generations) but because it keeps their followers narrow minded and therefor easy to control. A religion isn't just a system of morality to help people live better lives, it's a political powerhouse, with sometimes hundreds of millions of individuals who may disagree on a whole lot but are bound by their common link and will therefore band together against anything threatening that collective belief system. What's more, those a the top of that system can exploit it to their advantage.

The prevalence of occult knowledge will continue to expand, and with any luck most religions will become relics of a savage past as human kind evolves physically, socially, and spiritually. I guess we'll see.

Ultimately, the secrets found within the magickal experience are the important elements to take away from any occult exploration, brief or extended. The landscape is presented differently to everyone, but the journey can often be very similar in it's 'stages', becoming a nearly universal path of self-exploration and expanded awareness that is neutral in regards to any dogma isolating the unseen world into any trite shape or structure. Therefore, while your transformation may result in a boredom with christianity, it does not require in any way that you leave it behind, assuming you can understand what principles in your religion are beneficial, and which are malignant. Exploring the occult can offer a lot of opportunities to learn the difference.

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Animalia   Religions   Nov 25 2006, 07:26 PM
Joseph   Greetings, The question whether Magic(k) is OK...   Nov 25 2006, 08:31 PM
Acid09   I think the only way to know if practicing magick ...   Dec 1 2006, 04:27 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   :lol!: True that. You wouldn't be much of...   Dec 1 2006, 05:52 PM
Joseph   Greetings Acid 09, I speak for myself in this ...   Dec 1 2006, 07:26 PM
extinctionspasm   Well im not a catholic, but i would call myself a ...   Dec 3 2006, 07:01 AM
Enochian   If you are a Christian Majic is a no go. Christia...   Dec 4 2006, 10:44 AM
extinctionspasm   Enochians comments here are not entirtely correct....   Dec 4 2006, 09:00 PM
TiacSway   I would have to agree with extinctionspasm. I...   Dec 4 2006, 10:46 PM
Enochian   First of all prayer is not majic. A mage does no w...   Dec 5 2006, 12:22 PM
Acid09   Levicticus is still in the Church canon. It detail...   Dec 5 2006, 04:27 PM
extinctionspasm   I think the aparent discrepancy between arguments ...   Dec 6 2006, 12:48 AM
Enochian   Dont get me wrong guys. I believe that anything go...   Dec 6 2006, 12:42 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings, This is a really interesting discussio...   Dec 6 2006, 01:18 PM
extinctionspasm   It is my vain and arrogant opinion that the last t...   Dec 6 2006, 07:55 PM
TiacSway   I'd like to point this out: If you really ...   Dec 6 2006, 10:56 PM
extinctionspasm   In my opinion prayer is magick. You shouldn't ...   Dec 7 2006, 12:59 AM
DeathStalker   In my opinion prayer is magick. You shouldn't ...   Dec 7 2006, 03:05 AM
Bb3   dude, where the hell were all of you when I posted...   Dec 7 2006, 06:24 AM
DeathStalker   dude, where the hell were all of you when I posted...   Dec 7 2006, 07:00 AM
Enochian   The roots of Christianity come from paganism. It d...   Dec 7 2006, 11:33 AM
DeathStalker   The roots of Christianity come from paganism. It d...   Dec 7 2006, 06:43 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings DeathStalker, The hypocrisy which cause...   Dec 7 2006, 07:47 PM
DeathStalker   Greetings DeathStalker, The hypocrisy which cause...   Dec 7 2006, 09:33 PM
Enochian   Disorder is fine as long as it is no longer the pl...   Dec 7 2006, 07:52 PM
extinctionspasm   As i said before language is a funny thing. We can...   Dec 7 2006, 08:58 PM
Enochian   I dont think disorder really needs to be. As long ...   Dec 10 2006, 05:12 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   I dont think disorder really needs to be. As long ...   Dec 10 2006, 06:46 PM
Enochian   Yes you got me on that one friend in that case ANA...   Dec 10 2006, 07:27 PM
waldoworld   I am also a strong christian I was just here to do...   Jan 6 2007, 08:49 PM
DeathStalker   The power and protection of the blood of Christ ac...   Jan 6 2007, 10:27 PM
Joseph   I am also a strong christian I was just here to do...   Jan 7 2007, 05:52 AM
waldoworld   Greetings Waldoworld, You come quoting scriptu...   Jan 7 2007, 06:23 PM
DeathStalker   I come not to convert that is not my interest I ju...   Jan 7 2007, 07:15 PM

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