I'm A Bad Christian- Thinking About Doing This...... Options

OK folks, let me tell a little about myself. I'm a new member here, and am interested in this bussiness. This is bothering me a'lot. I have always been drawn to the occult since my Grandfather was posessed (and got rid of the wretched familiar thankfully) when I was little. Big family secret. Thank God he got rid of this thing, but this is still in part a generational curse. Now , your probably wondering why a Christian would involve himself with something nasty such as demon summoning right? Well, the answer is the same Saul gave in Endor- I need to "know"-even if I get kicked in the stomach. I desire several things for this evocation, first, I wish for certain knowledge. Second, I want to plead to the evil beings which (have the legal authority to continue thanks to my foolishness) to stop messing with my family (as I said- this is a generational thing. the familiar left my grandfather but he still torments my family from occasion to occasion. All thanks to these damn books on the occult he had tsc tsc). Anyway, this is my first evocation, I hate this bussiness but I'm really worried about a series of things. I have chosen the Demon Paimon and shall follow the Greater key/Legemeton procedures. Why such a fierce infernal king for a first summoning? Easy: I wish to contact a being who though clearly fallen still wishes to serve God in some measure and worships him above all things. A contrite being. I have read accounts here and elsewhere that Paimon has utter contempt for individuals who don't fear God. He loathes disobedient pricks, he detests occultists and magicians. He requires respect from the summoner.Excellent. I want a wise spirit. The ceremony is set, but I really fear (considering family history) that the possession factor could be very real. Your opinion?

Well, let's think outside the box. What makes a demon "great", what makes a watcher a watcher, a throne a throne, a dominion a dominion? Is it not obedience to God, is not your angelic rank determined by your relationship with the almighty? In the Bible, Lucifer was the covering cherub. That's not even Seraphim, that elite within elite. He interpreted the direct orders of God into the lesser ones (look at the structure of the mercy seat to understand where I'm getting at). Thus, supposing God is God, would it not make sense to compel this spirit to obey him to a large degree even in a fallen state? Of course! Read the epistle of Jude- Michael and Satan arguing over Moses' body (why did he want Moses body, Satan did? We don't know, ask him). Did Michael just invoke the massive number of holy angels, overwhelm the adversary, and finish the argument (he could have). No. He just went "God rebuke thee" and left the evil doer to his act. A difference in rank prevented any further argument- an archangel can't go against a throne or above (for now). Satan has this world delegated to him and thus must rule it to some degree like the almighty so wishes.Thus it is safe to say that the higher you go up the ladder EVEN in the evil doer ladder (the Goetia spirits) the tendency to obey the almighty, to follow his requests increases. I bet Lucifer fell precisely because of a mixture of pride and refusing to interpret a task as the almighty wanted him to, as opposed to just brute lust or anger. My interpretation. Also why I wanted to deal with Paimon, because many posters here familiar with him say the main lesson he imparts is to view the world through the lens of God, or else the knowledge subdues you. He also hates summoners, hates being summoned (I bet I know why as well- because it irks the most high, thus irking HIM too!). But no- I'm never summoning any demons (at least for now, I'm not Dr.Faustus, don't want to have my soul eaten up). If I do it will be a "safe" one, one that doesn't get too irked or nasty (and since I know what type of lies might be fed, I won't fall for deception).


Stalker, how do you know a demon isn't mounting a setup on you? That's the worse sort of mischief (to put it lightly)- have a demon play the good guy with you so that you can be screwed in hell for an eternity after signing a compact. Hey, just read Faust or Macbeth! I on the other hand feel safe for the following reason- the almighty has given a covenant, that once you are in his hands nobody can snatch you from him. Not even Lucifer. Thus if I die and go to hell he lied to me. And God can't obviously lie. On the other hand, I bet these demons would perfectly well have the legal authority to burn me up, go after somebody close yo me, or pester me endlessly (which is quite different).

This post has been edited by r9999: Nov 27 2006, 04:49 PM