Was Ashtaroth A Watcher? Options

Now here's a theory I was considering (another weird one). The watchers are known to have taught mankind all sorts of things, many of them bad (prostitution,sodomy, and bestiality were a few). Within this framework it would be consistent in viewing Ashtaroth as a demon who identifies himself as female (ie: he is homosexual, as were many of the watchers in the book of Enoch). It is my belief that the editors of the Key of Solomon and other Goetic texts knew full well who Ashtaroth claimed to be, but that they (rightly) placed him as male for the skilled magician to discern. Your thoughts?

This post has been edited by r9999: Nov 25 2006, 07:08 PM

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Now here's a theory I was considering (another weird one). The watchers are known to have taught mankind all sorts of things, many of them bad (prostitution,sodomy, and bestiality were a few). Within this framework it would be consistent in viewing Ashtaroth as a demon who identifies himself as female (ie: he is homosexual, as were many of the watchers in the book of Enoch). It is my belief that the editors of the Key of Solomon and other Goetic texts knew full well who Ashtaroth claimed to be, but that they (rightly) placed him as male for the skilled magician to discern. Your thoughts?

This thread was not originally how to summon Astaroth but rather whether or not the authors of the Goetic texts knew who they were dealing with...and alot of hoohah about him being a 'Watcher' and what his gender really is. I do know that he is not of the Grigori although his 'angelic' origins are not in dispute. Asmodeus is positively a different entity, as is Astarte/Ashtoreth. Despite my protestations over the past year it appears that the angellic version of Astaroth can be made somewhat safely without the circle et al. Being a fundamental Solomonic magician I shudder to think what ANY kind of evocation will do to an unschooled/untrained mind. I apologize for this assumption...one never makes any progress by sitting on their ass and doing nothing. And, btw, the use of a triangle is not shaming or insulting. Geometry is directly applicable to dimensional transfer and the triangle is used to facilitate Manifestation in a more corporeal form (ie 3D in this place). Another idea for a topic of discussion would be why does one wish to give a corporeal form to entities that may not have corporeal forms to begin with?

Another bit of info...the Watchers were enamoured of the Daughters of Adam and mated with them. This does not imply homosexual behavior (IMHO, LOL! Do spirits/entities other than terrestrials exhibit such tendencies? Another topic...)
If you do decide on evoking Astaroth be careful and give him the deference he is due although do not exhibit subsidiary or fawning attitudes...they are insulting not to mention demeaning! Good luck! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/egypt1.gif)

This post has been edited by bym: Nov 28 2006, 08:57 PM