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r9999
post Nov 25 2006, 07:08 PM
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Now here's a theory I was considering (another weird one). The watchers are known to have taught mankind all sorts of things, many of them bad (prostitution,sodomy, and bestiality were a few). Within this framework it would be consistent in viewing Ashtaroth as a demon who identifies himself as female (ie: he is homosexual, as were many of the watchers in the book of Enoch). It is my belief that the editors of the Key of Solomon and other Goetic texts knew full well who Ashtaroth claimed to be, but that they (rightly) placed him as male for the skilled magician to discern. Your thoughts?

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post Nov 29 2006, 08:19 AM
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I also disagree on spirits not being capable of sexual deviancy. Just read Paul's letter to the Corinthians (where he compares homosexuality to the watchers sin of taking women).


I don't recall saying that they (spiritual entities) were incapable of sexual deviancy (deviant as compared to what...or who?). Methinks Paul doth protest abit too much concerning (his) homosexuality.

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One thing that I wonder though- fairly simple forms evoke fairly simple and beneficent entities. What make the triangle different technically speaking? Why does it attract devils and the circle (supposedly) afford protection?


I don't understand/follow your logic - "fairly simple forms evoke fairly simple and beneficent entities"...??? The Triangle doesn't attract 'devils'... A magician uses the Triangle to manifest the entity in question. Not every entity will agree to be concentrated within the Triangle...for a variety of reasons. The first being that they may not have a corporeal form and this is like 'chaining' them to one local. Look upon it like I was forcing you to stand on a space 4" square. Now answer questions that you have little interest in, whilst being told off and complained at because of your appearance...you get the drift.
The circle represents the infinite, no beginning nor end. It keeps things either in or out. The idea that a circle is 'insulting' to entities is a fallacy. It is another Newage scricture trying to impose a 'politically correct' stance in entity ethics. Humbug.
Well enough pontificating! Goodnight! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif)


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r9999   Was Ashtaroth A Watcher?   Nov 25 2006, 07:08 PM
bym   Greetings! Before we begin the bloodletting......   Nov 25 2006, 08:52 PM
DeathStalker   To me, Ashtaroth is/was and always will be a Demon...   Nov 25 2006, 09:36 PM
smasher666   Greetings Deathstalker, Nice post. I totally agr...   Nov 25 2006, 11:05 PM
r9999   Astaroth and Ashtaroth are quite different if I am...   Nov 25 2006, 11:49 PM
smasher666   Wikpedia Astaroth (also Ashtaroth, Astarot, and A...   Nov 26 2006, 12:13 AM
r9999   Here's our man: http://www.deliriumsrealm.com...   Nov 26 2006, 12:48 AM
smasher666   I called him several times to help me make money a...   Nov 26 2006, 11:15 AM
r9999   I called him several times to help me make money a...   Nov 26 2006, 08:03 PM
JackConnor   I called him several times to help me make money a...   Dec 7 2006, 04:49 PM
DeathStalker   Quoting the Goetia's description of Astaroth: ...   Nov 28 2006, 01:55 AM
r9999   So it says he will tell about the reason of the fa...   Nov 28 2006, 06:47 PM
Ashnook   I read in lots of places that he has a horrible br...   Dec 8 2006, 02:53 AM
smasher666   When working with spirits who produce a foul smell...   Dec 8 2006, 11:03 PM
bym   Back again... This thread was not originally ho...   Nov 28 2006, 08:56 PM
r9999   I would never do anything without some form of pro...   Nov 28 2006, 11:36 PM
r9999   Bym, you are truly a genius! Your not into any...   Nov 29 2006, 05:28 PM
Faustopheles   Dude, are you serious? I am rather new to this for...   Nov 29 2006, 06:16 PM
r9999   Well, scriptures do say many of the watchers were ...   Nov 29 2006, 06:38 PM
Faustopheles   Well, scriptures do say many of the watchers were ...   Nov 29 2006, 07:59 PM
bym   r9999, Thanks for the accolades but I fear they ar...   Nov 29 2006, 08:53 PM
r9999   r9999, Thanks for the accolades but I fear they ar...   Nov 30 2006, 11:57 AM
Faustopheles   R9999, I feel as if this thread has gone terribly...   Nov 30 2006, 02:16 PM
r9999   Hi Faust, I have nothing to make peace about here ...   Nov 30 2006, 07:48 PM
Enochian   Its easy any "bottom dweller is considered un...   Dec 2 2006, 10:17 AM
Faustopheles   Can you give us some sources as to this demon cros...   Dec 8 2006, 03:55 AM

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