Was Ashtaroth A Watcher? Options

Now here's a theory I was considering (another weird one). The watchers are known to have taught mankind all sorts of things, many of them bad (prostitution,sodomy, and bestiality were a few). Within this framework it would be consistent in viewing Ashtaroth as a demon who identifies himself as female (ie: he is homosexual, as were many of the watchers in the book of Enoch). It is my belief that the editors of the Key of Solomon and other Goetic texts knew full well who Ashtaroth claimed to be, but that they (rightly) placed him as male for the skilled magician to discern. Your thoughts?

This post has been edited by r9999: Nov 25 2006, 07:08 PM

Dude, are you serious? I am rather new to this forum and I do not wish to get on anyones bad side, but some of the statements in this post are outlandish. Homosexual watchers??? The hexagram as a symbol for Lucifer???? What is the point to all this? Honestly, r9999, if you are interested in this I suggest you begin doing some research with the same fervor and dedication with which you have read the Bible. Your interpretation of the circle is good- alpha-omega, beginning and end ...yes it is all there as a symbolic representation of the order and cycles of the universe. The hexagram (i.e. 6-pointed star) is a symbol of the macrocosm and is the reconciliation of dualities(i.e. water and fire ). Kabbalist have many more interpretation for this symbol including God's 6 days of creation with the center representing the 7th day of rest. For a more Christianized explanation see Eliphas Levi's Transcendental Magic (formerly Dogma et Rituel..)


Here is a little exercise that might help understanding the sacred geometry of the hexagram.

1. with a compass draw a circle
2. At any point along the circumference of the circle put the point of the compass and draw a second circle (you should have something that resembles a ven diagram)
3. Use the either point where the circumference of the second circle intersects the first circle as the center of a third circle
4. Continue producing circles in a radiating pattern ... you will notice that you can only create 6 circles with the seventh being the central circle. (hmm sounds familiar)
5. You will also notice that this geometric mandala produces a six pointed lotus-like flower in its center. Connect the points of the flower and what do you get??? a hexagram , the six pointed star...

I'm sure you will find the metaphor of this geometric mandala compelling... there is an undeniable elegance present in the first polygon produced solely from circles. You may, like the Kabbalists, draw an association to the beginning of Genesis . Sounds silly, but try it. Then look around and see how many other cultures incorporate variations of this six-pointed geometric figure in their lexicon of sacred symbols... I've said too much.

This post has been edited by Faustopheles: Nov 29 2006, 06:20 PM