Was Ashtaroth A Watcher? Options

Now here's a theory I was considering (another weird one). The watchers are known to have taught mankind all sorts of things, many of them bad (prostitution,sodomy, and bestiality were a few). Within this framework it would be consistent in viewing Ashtaroth as a demon who identifies himself as female (ie: he is homosexual, as were many of the watchers in the book of Enoch). It is my belief that the editors of the Key of Solomon and other Goetic texts knew full well who Ashtaroth claimed to be, but that they (rightly) placed him as male for the skilled magician to discern. Your thoughts?

This post has been edited by r9999: Nov 25 2006, 07:08 PM

r9999,
Thanks for the accolades but I fear they are misplaced. It appears that you are laboring under a number of suppositions and ideals presented by certain Christian teachings. The Church has long disparaged Magic and those who used it (and not only Magic but those of the Sciences, etc.) Why do you think that within the Goetia and any number of magic texts demons and angels would teach you various forms of knowledge and physical science? People are curious...according to 'Scripture' the reason for Adam and Eves expulsion from Eden was for partaking of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (sorry...whole other topic that...*grin*). Did the Watchers teach homosexuality to other species as well? Hmmm........Paul had his hangups, homosexuality was one of them, unfortunately.
Sacred geometry places a part in the cornerstone of Magic. The Circle not only symbolizes infinity (or God, to some) but also the Divine Feminine, whereas the Line represents the Divine Masculine (for obvious reasons...it'll poke your eye out! LOL!) The Triangle represents Manifestation, the combination of male, female and neuter, in 'scripture' - the Trinity, the Square represents the 4 Elements, etc., the Pentagram represents the Microcosm (the 4 elements plus Spirit) or Man, the Hexagram denotes the Macrocosm (the Microcosm plus Infinity) etc., the Heptagram are the notes of the music of the Spheres and hence the Planets...This is a very truncated list...whole books are written about it. (Now that we have an expanded view of our Solar System will we see a reordering/revamping of Planetary Magic?)
Please do yourself a favor and try to stand along side your faith and its teachings whilst perusing Magic. Stretching ones spirituality never hurt...it's a very personal experience which should be with yourself and whatever spiritual ideal you subscribe to. Common sense should fill in the gaps. I promise to not proselytize to/at you, will you do the same for me? Happy journey to you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

r9999,
Thanks for the accolades but I fear they are misplaced. It appears that you are laboring under a number of suppositions and ideals presented by certain Christian teachings. The Church has long disparaged Magic and those who used it (and not only Magic but those of the Sciences, etc.) Why do you think that within the Goetia and any number of magic texts demons and angels would teach you various forms of knowledge and physical science? People are curious...according to 'Scripture' the reason for Adam and Eves expulsion from Eden was for partaking of the fruit from the Tree of Knowledge (sorry...whole other topic that...*grin*). Did the Watchers teach homosexuality to other species as well? Hmmm........Paul had his hangups, homosexuality was one of them, unfortunately.
Sacred geometry places a part in the cornerstone of Magic. The Circle not only symbolizes infinity (or God, to some) but also the Divine Feminine, whereas the Line represents the Divine Masculine (for obvious reasons...it'll poke your eye out! LOL!) The Triangle represents Manifestation, the combination of male, female and neuter, in 'scripture' - the Trinity, the Square represents the 4 Elements, etc., the Pentagram represents the Microcosm (the 4 elements plus Spirit) or Man, the Hexagram denotes the Macrocosm (the Microcosm plus Infinity) etc., the Heptagram are the notes of the music of the Spheres and hence the Planets...This is a very truncated list...whole books are written about it. (Now that we have an expanded view of our Solar System will we see a reordering/revamping of Planetary Magic?)
Please do yourself a favor and try to stand along side your faith and its teachings whilst perusing Magic. Stretching ones spirituality never hurt...it's a very personal experience which should be with yourself and whatever spiritual ideal you subscribe to. Common sense should fill in the gaps. I promise to not proselytize to/at you, will you do the same for me? Happy journey to you! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

First to Faustopheles (love that name, lol! Martin Luther wanted Faust hanging from a pole, he was not a good man, Faust was, but I am reading things he wrote though so I can't be a judge here). Well, for starters, the goat head is a Satanic symbol if there ever was one. It's probably the most blasphemous thing the Satanists ever came up with. Here's what it means- Jesus Christ was the lamb of God, therefore a good way to diss and insult him is to call him a goat (ie: improper sacrifice). You are insulting the holy of holies by calling him unclean. In old days if you touched the ark of the covenant after doing something unclean....ZAAAPPP! That's how satanic that goat head is. Also, there's no way out of that depiction of baphomet pointing to light and dark, heaven and hell, etc.- that's what I'm talking about, the Luciferians want their angel who thinks he's god but is nothing but a punk traitor (forgive me if I insulted anyone with that here, my bone is against the deceiver serpent Satan ahem) as ruler of all planes, heaven and hell, with the creator standing on the sides powerless. Yes, the breasts do denote androgyny, that was my point, it all fits with what I'm saying. Bym, you are right. This knowledge depends on how you approach it, I'm approaching it from my perspective which is highly critical, but there are many others. Personally Bym, I am attempting to purge my understanding of perspectives which seem to miss the point and go against what I know is true.