Speed Induced "hallucinations" Options

Now I know that everybody who has experienced "hallucinations" from staying up days on methamphetamine will almost always put it down to speed induced psychosis but after having a very lifelike conversation with a voice in after 3 days of sleep deprivation and lack of food im starting to question how imaginary these so called hallucinations really are.

Im interested in hearing opinions on the subject from occultists. I had no idea what psionics were until I had this experience. The voice talked about all sorts of things but at one point it said "Seeing as your more in tune with this dimension where deceased people reside, I can send you psionic frequencies". Also the voice asked me if it was my first psychedelic encounter.

Another very strange detail was the fact that after the voice told me it was going to give me a wet willy I actually felt a cold finger poke me in the back. It either felt like a cold finger or cold water seeping through my t-shirt.

Alot of very strange and unexplainable things happened. The voice seemed hellbent on convincing me I was dead too. It wanted me to face a certain direction and I noticed when I did the voice would get louder and more intense. At one point the voice said "Now that I have his undivided attention, I concentrate on his frontal lobe". I felt hands on each side of my face after that.

Something fairly strange that happened was after the voice told me I was going to get carpol tunnel syndrome my hands went ice cold and started sweating excessively for no logical reason.

Should I just assume it was my subconscious speaking to me or was there something else involved? The reason I posted in the psionics forum is because of that statement it made about psionic frequencies. I might have heard about psionics but I didnt know exactly what it was at the time.

Now I know that everybody who has experienced "hallucinations" from staying up days on methamphetamine will almost always put it down to speed induced psychosis but after having a very lifelike conversation with a voice in after 3 days of sleep deprivation and lack of food im starting to question how imaginary these so called hallucinations really are.

The body can only go for so long with out sleep. There comes a point where the body can no long remain awake but the meth keeps the mind from fully shutting down. After enough deprivation what happens is that the brain enters a state of sleep while the consciousness is fully awake and still in control of the body (called the calm because some people who experience it become very relaxed). So its not really sleep but if a user in this state were to be hooked up to machines that moniter sleep they would appear to be as such, yet they are fully awake and still depriving themselves of the total sleep cycle.

This is when the user experiences dream like hallucinations. Anything from "bug vission" where a user sees bugs crawling on the walls and their skin to full out "schizophrenic" episodes where the user can have conversations with people, or beings of any manor (including spuer heros). These are like schizo episodes in that the person believes they are have the coversation/ interaction with other entities, but the person is just sleep deprived and dreaming while awake because the meth prevents them from entering a true sleep cycle. A person on meth might even lie down and take whats called a "power nap" where they, inaffect, loose consciousness for a short period of time. But in reality they are not actually asleep. And some who take lots of meth can go a week or longer without ever realizing they haven't actually slept.

Now what drugs do is the increase the suggestability of a person by forcing it into altered states of mind. The suggestability and the affect of the drugs can lead to a sort of self-hyponosis. In the case of meth one can pretty induce a state where they believe they can fly, they are king of the universe, the government or aliens are out to get them or that they can talk to otherworldly entities. Thats just the meth. With the introduction of methadone, pcp, and pot I'm actually very supriesed your hallucination wasn't deeper and more vivid than that. Now I understan that you intend to quit for a period of time, implying you realize that drugs are hindering your life. I'm not going to preach to you either but I will offer a piece of advice - consider rehab and if you intend to continue to use drugs when you start remember your tollerance is a lot lower. Friends of mine have ODed and even died because they went from 0-60 faster than they could handle. I've nearly died from multiple drug over doses too.

Because drugs can affect the mind in such a way, especially meth&pcp, I highly, highly recommend not incorperating it into magickal rituals. Meth creates delusions (examples - feelings of confidence and bigger sexual appitite) that are not real and to believe in them can lead to real psychosis. I believe all drugs can be used to have spiritual experiences. But a personal revealation one experiences about life and their existance is a far cry from believing they've contacted other beings.

Im interested in hearing opinions on the subject from occultists. I had no idea what psionics were until I had this experience. The voice talked about all sorts of things but at one point it said "Seeing as your more in tune with this dimension where deceased people reside, I can send you psionic frequencies". Also the voice asked me if it was my first psychedelic encounter.

Another very strange detail was the fact that after the voice told me it was going to give me a wet willy I actually felt a cold finger poke me in the back. It either felt like a cold finger or cold water seeping through my t-shirt.

Alot of very strange and unexplainable things happened. The voice seemed hellbent on convincing me I was dead too. It wanted me to face a certain direction and I noticed when I did the voice would get louder and more intense. At one point the voice said "Now that I have his undivided attention, I concentrate on his frontal lobe". I felt hands on each side of my face after that.

Something fairly strange that happened was after the voice told me I was going to get carpol tunnel syndrome my hands went ice cold and started sweating excessively for no logical reason.

The meth deprived you of sleep to the point where your body could no longer take it so, out of desperation, it put you in a state of mind as close to sleep as possible. Since you were still awake, the meth kept you from fully falling asleep and you experienced dream like sensations. Even the wet willy was likely nothing more than a symptom of your sleep deprivation.

I knew this one guy who freaked out on meth because he was convinced the cops were after us and he camped out in my friend's attic for 3 days. I don't think he even went to the bathroom during that time. When he came back down he had no memory of what he did he didn't even realize he lost the 3 days. He did approximately 1/4 ounce of some crystal and he did it all in less than 3 hours time. I thought he was going to die. I've got plenty of other stories point is its real easy, real quick to over do hard drugs.

Should I just assume it was my subconscious speaking to me or was there something else involved? The reason I posted in the psionics forum is because of that statement it made about psionic frequencies. I might have heard about psionics but I didnt know exactly what it was at the time.

Also I should mention my dads an occultist and this voice claimed to be him on numerous occasions. Also the voice repeated things my father had said to me years ago which I had completely forgotten.

Im not sure exactly what my old mans into but Ive heard him speak about Thelema and Aleister Crowley a few times.

Another thing I have a vivid memory of my dad talking about astral travelling and having to ability to poke people in the physical realm and they actually feel it. Weirdly enough when I asked him about it after this experience he denies ever having said that.

When we forget things all that means is the information stored in our mind has gone dormant. This is caused by neural pathways that have not been stimulated in a long time or they have been destroyed. If a pathway has not been stimulated in a long time the use of drugs can activate them triggering the memory to emerge from its dormancy (you remember something and this can be very random). Like wise, drugs can also create new neural pathways that activate dormant memories. Drugs can destroy neural pathways as well, forcing the mind to find alternate routes - this can also trigger the recall of old memories. I remember one while being on acid trip I recalled a dream, in great detail, I had when I was 8 years old. The recall of the dream was so vivid I even remembered how old I was.

Being an "occultist" doesn't mean one concludes the mystical/magickal reasons before the rational, not with out hard proof. In reality practicing occultists are scientists in their own right. Therefore I would conclude that what you experienced was a totally mundane reaction to the suggestability caused by mild to moderate meth use and sleep deprivation that resulted in a dream like state of mind that caused you to experience hallucinations. Now it is possible that somewhere in that trip you did indeed open your mind's ability to percieve other realms of existance enabling you to converse with the entity you mentioned. But since you were under the influence of drugs and sleep deprivation you should not even try to believe you had anything other than a reaction to the drugs and lack of sleep.

This post has been edited by Acid09: Dec 4 2006, 04:26 PM