The Watcher Bandar, Questions / Ask Here Experiances / Tell Here Options

Hello,

I am new to the Necronomicon and have been researching the tome for over three months. Since I am well-versed in Ceremonial Magick, I found the idea of the Watcher quite fascinating.

It is remarkable how the tome almost promises that this being will indeed show up after you invoke it--immediately after, that is. It says, "At this point the watcher WILL SURELY (emphasis added) come and WILL (emphasis added) stand outside the Gate or Circle until shuch time as he is given the lisence to depart etc" that is found on page 73 of the Simon Necronomicon.

It was also interesting to note that in some instances it will appear in the form of a "fierce dog" and that the presence of this being is to be feared. Since I have an understanding of the evocation of the spirits, one of the necessary components of a worthwhile evocation is making a connection with the spirit (in whatever way the magician sees fit). But in this case there really is no preparation at all. I mean, you call the Watcher and he appears or manifests after the magician makes the necessary preparations with the offerings etc.

My question is for those who have a deeper understanding of the Necronomicon. When you invoked the Watcher for the first time did he manifest slowly or show up immediately? In other words, did you have to call him up several times (as is the case with stubborn spirits) or did invoking him once do the trick? Is this an instance of magick where all one has to do is basically call forth the being and "beleive it to be there" (like is the case with archangelic invocations and calling forth the elements) or does the priest actually have to get it to physically manifest? In the case of archangelic invocations after some time their presence becomes very powerful, indeed. Does the Watcher manifest every time when invoked (is it a mechanic process)? Or does the Watcher need repeated conjurations or invocations to arrive? Is one reading of the invocation enough to get the Watcher to arrive or do you need to call it again and again to make sure "it's there physically?" Does the magician need an assurance of the presence of the Watcher or is just calling him and beleiving he is there sufficient enough? I mean, it's not necessarily an evocation. It's an invocation that can turn into an instance of an evocation. Fascinating! I would love to hear your thoughts and experiences.

I am still trying to understand the nature of these beings. Any help would be most appreciated.

Good day to you and yours,

Mr. Curi

Hey guys..Just wanted to find out whether anyone of you had used the watcher of the Nec for other magical workings?For example used him as a protector while working the goetia or calling forth the elementals?

Hey guys..Just wanted to find out whether anyone of you had used the watcher of the Nec for other magical workings?For example used him as a protector while working the goetia or calling forth the elementals?

the part of your watcher protecting you, its protection is against any one trying to harm you ;-)



But may be thats why if you ask your watcher to guard your circle, if you are evoking a demon, the demon might not turn up...

Its a reasoning of mine, may be the more advanced would clarify things.

Greetings,

If the demon does not show up of it s own accord there are invocations to force it to come. As long as you are abiding by the covenant the Bandar will not attack you for calling the demon. You should instruct your Bandar to not attack the demon unless the demon fails to obey you or threatens you. If you are being shady that is you are calling the demon to perform evil operations you would be extremely wise to banish the Bandar before you call the demon. Otherwise the Bandar will turn on you.

How will you know that the unseen world is attacking you? Your emotions will become out of whack. You will be angry for no reason. Depressed. No energy. You will have a string of bad luck. You might become a little bit out of whack mentally as well as emotionally. In the rare event you might be affected physically. Perhaps your heart will beat way to fast or you will pass out.

Do not make pacts or do anything wrong in the eyes of the Elder and having the Bandar there like a guard dog ready to pounce on the demon could be a good idea.

I have called all of the Goetic spirits. However I have never called a Goetic spirit in front of the Bandar. Once I was advanced enough in the system I no longer saw any need to play with fire and summon demons. It seemed to just be a phase which I passed through in which I thought it was cool to be able to call demons and have a sort of power over them. That was a prideful and foolish thought form which I have since abandoned.

Peace