QUOTE(extinctionspasm @ Dec 6 2006, 10:59 PM)
In my opinion prayer is magick. You shouldn't need to pray for miracles if your "faith", which is the cornerstone of religion is pure. Prfayer should only be to give thanks and to worship and honour for a truly faithful person (in that respect), so any prayer involved with a request is a form of magick, if you believe that your request would not have been granted if you hadn't asked for it.
But its still all semantics really. I say tomato and you say tomato. There is a scene in planet of the apes where whats his name says "let go of me you stupid monkey" and it turns to him and yells "we are not monkeys - we are apes". But for the french the word for minkeys and apes is the same - its "le sange". So if your watching planet of the apes in france marky mark says "let go of me you stupid sange", and the ape replies "we are not sange - we are sange", and the french audiences all nod to each other and say "excellent point". I think you see what i mean. This rule of philology or semantics or whatever works both ways. Anyway....
Prayer and magick are not exactly the same. Prayer is "asking" spirits to do your will, whilst magick is "doing your will" "Do what thou wilt". Magick is an action or effort undertaken because of a personal need to effect change. Prayer is a negligible hope or chance. Infact I personally frown upon prayer as it goes against any reason why I would practice magick, its what the Church wants YOU to do, to ask not to commit to. A prayer can also be associated with a thoughtform which is in need for a "deliverer" (in the christian sense, an Angel), to deliver it, and of course you have no power over that. Now Magick is using your thoughtform and turning it into your will.
Thought + Desire + Will = Magick (if i remember correctly)Just by stating the above you are already succumbing to what the traditional bible says and what is expected of you in the Christian sense.
This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 7 2006, 03:37 AM