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post Nov 25 2006, 07:26 PM
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Is magick ok for other religions because I am a very strong christian.
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post Dec 7 2006, 12:59 AM
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In my opinion prayer is magick. You shouldn't need to pray for miracles if your "faith", which is the cornerstone of religion is pure. Prfayer should only be to give thanks and to worship and honour for a truly faithful person (in that respect), so any prayer involved with a request is a form of magick, if you believe that your request would not have been granted if you hadn't asked for it.

But its still all semantics really. I say tomato and you say tomato. There is a scene in planet of the apes where whats his name says "let go of me you stupid monkey" and it turns to him and yells "we are not monkeys - we are apes". But for the french the word for minkeys and apes is the same - its "le sange". So if your watching planet of the apes in france marky mark says "let go of me you stupid sange", and the ape replies "we are not sange - we are sange", and the french audiences all nod to each other and say "excellent point". I think you see what i mean. This rule of philology or semantics or whatever works both ways. Anyway....

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QUOTE(extinctionspasm @ Dec 6 2006, 10:59 PM) *
In my opinion prayer is magick. You shouldn't need to pray for miracles if your "faith", which is the cornerstone of religion is pure. Prfayer should only be to give thanks and to worship and honour for a truly faithful person (in that respect), so any prayer involved with a request is a form of magick, if you believe that your request would not have been granted if you hadn't asked for it.

But its still all semantics really. I say tomato and you say tomato. There is a scene in planet of the apes where whats his name says "let go of me you stupid monkey" and it turns to him and yells "we are not monkeys - we are apes". But for the french the word for minkeys and apes is the same - its "le sange". So if your watching planet of the apes in france marky mark says "let go of me you stupid sange", and the ape replies "we are not sange - we are sange", and the french audiences all nod to each other and say "excellent point". I think you see what i mean. This rule of philology or semantics or whatever works both ways. Anyway....


Prayer and magick are not exactly the same. Prayer is "asking" spirits to do your will, whilst magick is "doing your will" "Do what thou wilt". Magick is an action or effort undertaken because of a personal need to effect change. Prayer is a negligible hope or chance. Infact I personally frown upon prayer as it goes against any reason why I would practice magick, its what the Church wants YOU to do, to ask not to commit to. A prayer can also be associated with a thoughtform which is in need for a "deliverer" (in the christian sense, an Angel), to deliver it, and of course you have no power over that. Now Magick is using your thoughtform and turning it into your will.

Thought + Desire + Will = Magick (if i remember correctly)

Just by stating the above you are already succumbing to what the traditional bible says and what is expected of you in the Christian sense.

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Animalia   Religions   Nov 25 2006, 07:26 PM
Joseph   Greetings, The question whether Magic(k) is OK...   Nov 25 2006, 08:31 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   In addition to Joseph's observation that magic...   Nov 26 2006, 12:12 AM
Acid09   I think the only way to know if practicing magick ...   Dec 1 2006, 04:27 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   :lol!: True that. You wouldn't be much of...   Dec 1 2006, 05:52 PM
Joseph   Greetings Acid 09, I speak for myself in this ...   Dec 1 2006, 07:26 PM
extinctionspasm   Well im not a catholic, but i would call myself a ...   Dec 3 2006, 07:01 AM
Enochian   If you are a Christian Majic is a no go. Christia...   Dec 4 2006, 10:44 AM
extinctionspasm   Enochians comments here are not entirtely correct....   Dec 4 2006, 09:00 PM
TiacSway   I would have to agree with extinctionspasm. I...   Dec 4 2006, 10:46 PM
Enochian   First of all prayer is not majic. A mage does no w...   Dec 5 2006, 12:22 PM
Acid09   Levicticus is still in the Church canon. It detail...   Dec 5 2006, 04:27 PM
extinctionspasm   I think the aparent discrepancy between arguments ...   Dec 6 2006, 12:48 AM
Enochian   Dont get me wrong guys. I believe that anything go...   Dec 6 2006, 12:42 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings, This is a really interesting discussio...   Dec 6 2006, 01:18 PM
extinctionspasm   It is my vain and arrogant opinion that the last t...   Dec 6 2006, 07:55 PM
TiacSway   I'd like to point this out: If you really ...   Dec 6 2006, 10:56 PM
Bb3   dude, where the hell were all of you when I posted...   Dec 7 2006, 06:24 AM
DeathStalker   dude, where the hell were all of you when I posted...   Dec 7 2006, 07:00 AM
Enochian   The roots of Christianity come from paganism. It d...   Dec 7 2006, 11:33 AM
DeathStalker   The roots of Christianity come from paganism. It d...   Dec 7 2006, 06:43 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings DeathStalker, The hypocrisy which cause...   Dec 7 2006, 07:47 PM
DeathStalker   Greetings DeathStalker, The hypocrisy which cause...   Dec 7 2006, 09:33 PM
Enochian   Disorder is fine as long as it is no longer the pl...   Dec 7 2006, 07:52 PM
extinctionspasm   As i said before language is a funny thing. We can...   Dec 7 2006, 08:58 PM
Enochian   I dont think disorder really needs to be. As long ...   Dec 10 2006, 05:12 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   I dont think disorder really needs to be. As long ...   Dec 10 2006, 06:46 PM
Enochian   Yes you got me on that one friend in that case ANA...   Dec 10 2006, 07:27 PM
waldoworld   I am also a strong christian I was just here to do...   Jan 6 2007, 08:49 PM
DeathStalker   The power and protection of the blood of Christ ac...   Jan 6 2007, 10:27 PM
Joseph   I am also a strong christian I was just here to do...   Jan 7 2007, 05:52 AM
waldoworld   Greetings Waldoworld, You come quoting scriptu...   Jan 7 2007, 06:23 PM
DeathStalker   I come not to convert that is not my interest I ju...   Jan 7 2007, 07:15 PM

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