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r9999
post Nov 25 2006, 07:08 PM
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Now here's a theory I was considering (another weird one). The watchers are known to have taught mankind all sorts of things, many of them bad (prostitution,sodomy, and bestiality were a few). Within this framework it would be consistent in viewing Ashtaroth as a demon who identifies himself as female (ie: he is homosexual, as were many of the watchers in the book of Enoch). It is my belief that the editors of the Key of Solomon and other Goetic texts knew full well who Ashtaroth claimed to be, but that they (rightly) placed him as male for the skilled magician to discern. Your thoughts?

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post Nov 26 2006, 12:48 AM
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Here's our man:

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/art...iew.asp?Post=99

Apparently I was confusing him with a quiet different demon:

http://www.deliriumsrealm.com/delirium/art...iew.asp?Post=97


spirits are immaterial, above sex, but I believe they are essentially male in character (all of them) though they may claim otherwise.That is my belief, which of course will go under the so called Judaeo-christian slant (how else can you view these beings if I may ask by the way?). Interesting to note that according to the above description he claimed to receive an unjust punishment. Smash, you have invoked or evoked this being, can you tell me why?

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post Nov 26 2006, 11:15 AM
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I called him several times to help me make money and to develop certain psychic skills mostly of a Vampiric nature but also to know the future. He was very nice to me and very helpful. Of course he is a demon so I was very hesitant to trust him and it seemed that perhaps him being so nice could be some sort of set up. After I had gained what I wanted I stopped calling him as I felt developing a friendship with a demon could be unhealthy.

Regardless Astartoth was very cool with me and I really like him. Wherever he is I wish him the best.

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post Dec 7 2006, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(smasher666 @ Nov 26 2006, 12:15 PM) *
I called him several times to help me make money and to develop certain psychic skills mostly of a Vampiric nature but also to know the future. He was very nice to me and very helpful. Of course he is a demon so I was very hesitant to trust him and it seemed that perhaps him being so nice could be some sort of set up. After I had gained what I wanted I stopped calling him as I felt developing a friendship with a demon could be unhealthy.

Regardless Astartoth was very cool with me and I really like him. Wherever he is I wish him the best.


Smart man.

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r9999   Was Ashtaroth A Watcher?   Nov 25 2006, 07:08 PM
bym   Greetings! Before we begin the bloodletting......   Nov 25 2006, 08:52 PM
DeathStalker   To me, Ashtaroth is/was and always will be a Demon...   Nov 25 2006, 09:36 PM
smasher666   Greetings Deathstalker, Nice post. I totally agr...   Nov 25 2006, 11:05 PM
r9999   Astaroth and Ashtaroth are quite different if I am...   Nov 25 2006, 11:49 PM
smasher666   Wikpedia Astaroth (also Ashtaroth, Astarot, and A...   Nov 26 2006, 12:13 AM
r9999   I called him several times to help me make money a...   Nov 26 2006, 08:03 PM
DeathStalker   Quoting the Goetia's description of Astaroth: ...   Nov 28 2006, 01:55 AM
r9999   So it says he will tell about the reason of the fa...   Nov 28 2006, 06:47 PM
Ashnook   I read in lots of places that he has a horrible br...   Dec 8 2006, 02:53 AM
smasher666   When working with spirits who produce a foul smell...   Dec 8 2006, 11:03 PM
bym   Back again... This thread was not originally ho...   Nov 28 2006, 08:56 PM
r9999   I would never do anything without some form of pro...   Nov 28 2006, 11:36 PM
bym   I don't recall saying that they (spiritual ...   Nov 29 2006, 08:19 AM
r9999   Bym, you are truly a genius! Your not into any...   Nov 29 2006, 05:28 PM
Faustopheles   Dude, are you serious? I am rather new to this for...   Nov 29 2006, 06:16 PM
r9999   Well, scriptures do say many of the watchers were ...   Nov 29 2006, 06:38 PM
Faustopheles   Well, scriptures do say many of the watchers were ...   Nov 29 2006, 07:59 PM
bym   r9999, Thanks for the accolades but I fear they ar...   Nov 29 2006, 08:53 PM
r9999   r9999, Thanks for the accolades but I fear they ar...   Nov 30 2006, 11:57 AM
Faustopheles   R9999, I feel as if this thread has gone terribly...   Nov 30 2006, 02:16 PM
r9999   Hi Faust, I have nothing to make peace about here ...   Nov 30 2006, 07:48 PM
Enochian   Its easy any "bottom dweller is considered un...   Dec 2 2006, 10:17 AM
Faustopheles   Can you give us some sources as to this demon cros...   Dec 8 2006, 03:55 AM

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