Speed Induced "hallucinations" Options

Now I know that everybody who has experienced "hallucinations" from staying up days on methamphetamine will almost always put it down to speed induced psychosis but after having a very lifelike conversation with a voice in after 3 days of sleep deprivation and lack of food im starting to question how imaginary these so called hallucinations really are.

Im interested in hearing opinions on the subject from occultists. I had no idea what psionics were until I had this experience. The voice talked about all sorts of things but at one point it said "Seeing as your more in tune with this dimension where deceased people reside, I can send you psionic frequencies". Also the voice asked me if it was my first psychedelic encounter.

Another very strange detail was the fact that after the voice told me it was going to give me a wet willy I actually felt a cold finger poke me in the back. It either felt like a cold finger or cold water seeping through my t-shirt.

Alot of very strange and unexplainable things happened. The voice seemed hellbent on convincing me I was dead too. It wanted me to face a certain direction and I noticed when I did the voice would get louder and more intense. At one point the voice said "Now that I have his undivided attention, I concentrate on his frontal lobe". I felt hands on each side of my face after that.

Something fairly strange that happened was after the voice told me I was going to get carpol tunnel syndrome my hands went ice cold and started sweating excessively for no logical reason.

Should I just assume it was my subconscious speaking to me or was there something else involved? The reason I posted in the psionics forum is because of that statement it made about psionic frequencies. I might have heard about psionics but I didnt know exactly what it was at the time.

I agree with you that marijuana and X are good drugs to use for spiritual purposes but they both have high abuse potentials. Most psychedelics are the opposite.

I think just about any drug could be said to have a high potential for abuse, alcohol included. It all depends on why one uses them. I also think that any mind altering substance (even sugar) could have spiritual uses. There are just some substances I would avoid over others. And for that matter in general, I'd avoid drugs and magick all together unless one either has the knowledge/experience or the guidence of somebody how does.

I believe using psychedelics in the right scenarios can be incredibly benificial in attaining knowledge and increasing your mind power. I see them as tools. I dont see them as replacements for meditation or magick. I see them as tools which can accelerate and increase to ability to meditate and perform magick.

I agree but that last part is exactly why I would advise others, without proper knowledge, to avoid drugs. They can influence the developement of one's perception and mental ability in positive ways. At the same time, over use, can do the exact opposite and even cause permanent damage or dependance. Even mild drugs like pot, alcohol or mushrooms can lead to health problems, mental and physical.

What drugs do is they enable or disable certain inhibitors within the body and/or release various neurotransmitters or otherwise (especially meth, PCP and cocaine) stimulate the central neurvus system. Now the mind can be taught to release these same transmitters through sheer will or mundane techniques that just require practice. When one uses drugs it bypasses the need to use proper techniques. This can be desirable and useful in pathworking or other trance work. But when people use drugs without knowing how to get the same results without the drugs they can become dependant on drugs to have spiritual expeirences. Furthermore drus can alter the mind in such that decerning reality, even spritual reality, from the affects of the drugs can be difficult and lead to delusions. Over prolonged use eventually one risks psychosis or other nasty side effects.

For some, the mind cannot handle such rapid advancement. And for some it leads them to question weather or not they have experienced something spiritual, or if it was just the drugs.

Now I'm not saying all this to you Xochipilli, you at least seem to already know. I'm saying this to anybody else who is considering incorperating drugs into magick. I think its important readers understand both the benefits and risks.

only time rahab is usful is when you have horrid withdrawl symptoms. Such as when an alcoholic who has been drinking for years everyday trys to quit. The alcoholic will most likely get life threating DT's, and the only way to get through it safely is through detox at a rehab center.

Rehab is meant to provide any addict (for anything, not just drugs) treatment for their addiction. Not just to detox but to also recieve psychological counciling and learn to deal with their lives without drugs (or whatever addiction) and formulate a relapse prevention plan. Sadly, it only works for about 3% the first time around. However if people do ant to change it does work eventually.

Ah you went through drug court huh? Well the counslors are of course going to be nicer they go through school knowing damn well they are going to make shit money, so it has to be a calling.

I take it either you've never been through any out-patient program or your did so with a negative mind set. Actually the councilors I worked with were from a non-profit organization. While I dispute its non-profit, The councilors were qualified volunteers (some were recovering addicts themselves) and they made less than school teachers. This notion that they're only doing their job for the pay came up before in our classes and its total bullshit, at least at the place I went to.

There are places with professional psychiatrist who cost a butt load but most first drug offenders are not required to go to places like that (unless maybe they did something like got drunk go on a pcp binge and shoot at a couple of cops).

I take it either you've never been through any out-patient program or your did so with a negative mind set. Actually the councilors I worked with were from a non-profit organization. While I dispute its non-profit, The councilors were qualified volunteers (some were recovering addicts themselves) and they made less than school teachers. This notion that they're only doing their job for the pay came up before in our classes and its total bullshit, at least at the place I went to.

There are places with professional psychiatrist who cost a butt load but most first drug offenders are not required to go to places like that (unless maybe they did something like got drunk go on a pcp binge and shoot at a couple of cops).

I was a social work major and was one of those non-profit counselors (had to volunteer 40 hours to pass the class). Needless to say I changed my major.

and read my post over tough guy I said...

Well the counslors are of course going to be nicer they go through school knowing damn well they are going to make shit money, so it has to be a calling.

This post has been edited by distillate: Dec 9 2006, 03:33 PM