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There's a lot of references on many texts that rephrase versions of the "god that dwells within each of us".

How do you personally relate and define this idea/concept in your personal world?

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God is a being so endless and complex that we could never really understand its true nature let alone articulate it through our limmited minds. I think God is so advanced beyond our understanding that it can only be expressed as the existance of all that is, was, or ever will be simotaneously, not all and everything inbetween.


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QUOTE(Acid09 @ Dec 4 2006, 12:43 PM) *
God is a being so endless and complex that we could never really understand its true nature let alone articulate it through our limmited minds. I think God is so advanced beyond our understanding that it can only be expressed as the existance of all that is, was, or ever will be simotaneously, not all and everything inbetween.


True, and in alien dimensions "life" itself may seem meaningless to us. The "being" of a spirit could totally have a different meaning in dimensions we've not even heard of, how can one determine how big existance is? And what is our definition of "GOD"? not "our" seperate Gods that we abide with, but GOD itself, all, everything.

Its not a question to have an answer to.

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QUOTE(DeathStalker @ Dec 4 2006, 04:39 PM) *
True, and in alien dimensions "life" itself may seem meaningless to us. The "being" of a spirit could totally have a different meaning in dimensions we've not even heard of, how can one determine how big existance is? And what is our definition of "GOD"? not "our" seperate Gods that we abide with, but GOD itself, all, everything.

Its not a question to have an answer to.


Hmmm.... I believe God is hard to reach. One must be a man of great discipline. And as much as we hate to admit it sometimes. Sin seperates us from God. God will not cause us to be better human beings. We must willfully be a good person. God sees what we do. And he has his an angel that watches us and reports what we do according to our works. So does God dwell in the average human being I believe not.

Great Prophets like David had the luxury of having God dwell within them. But only because those men were commited to God and fallowed his laws and kept them. God knows everything including the hearts of man.

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QUOTE(GoDmAn777 @ Dec 9 2006, 03:20 PM) *
Hmmm.... I believe God is hard to reach. One must be a man of great discipline. And as much as we hate to admit it sometimes. Sin seperates us from God. God will not cause us to be better human beings. We must willfully be a good person. God sees what we do. And he has his an angel that watches us and reports what we do according to our works. So does God dwell in the average human being I believe not.

Great Prophets like David had the luxury of having God dwell within them. But only because those men were commited to God and fallowed his laws and kept them. God knows everything including the hearts of man.


You see, many people, primarly christians, view "their God" as the God. What I say is not viewing an Entity as ALL and NOTHING, but all and nothing as the creator itself. I believe in all other Gods in being part of one god. Who created your God?

You also have to know that God is not about "good/evil", Good/Evil itself in this materialistic world are nothing compared to universal matters. For something to be the "all and nothing" he and she has to be both dark and light, both good and evil (if you choose to believe in that), and everything.

You see I abide by a God, My God, but I do not see him as the creator of everything, the creator of me? yes, but not everything and nothing, for he would have to be much more lissome. I believe to be his blood, but I believe that he and I are also a the blood of the energy in which all and nothing co-exist and thus "GOD".

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QUOTE(DeathStalker @ Dec 9 2006, 08:26 PM) *
You see, many people, primarly christians, view "their God" as the God. What I say is not viewing an Entity as ALL and NOTHING, but all and nothing as the creator itself. I believe in all other Gods in being part of one god. Who created your God?

You also have to know that God is not about "good/evil", Good/Evil itself in this materialistic world are nothing compared to universal matters. For something to be the "all and nothing" he and she has to be both dark and light, both good and evil (if you choose to believe in that), and everything.

You see I abide by a God, My God, but I do not see him as the creator of everything, the creator of me? yes, but not everything and nothing, for he would have to be much more lissome. I believe to be his blood, but I believe that he and I are also a the blood of the energy in which all and nothing co-exist and thus "GOD".


I do not label myself as a christian for christians in my view falsly interpret the bible due to ministers and false prophets. Let me now give you an overview of my spiritual philosophy pertaining to God and magick. One most also believe in the old and new testamennts in the bible but only to a certain extent. It is evident in the magickal world that spirits like satan and other demons and angels exist. Which so happen to be mentioned in the bible. Now this is how you label God and his charecteristics along with what has been created. Its simple John1-3 All things were made by him and without him was anything made that was made. Isaiah44:6 I am the first and I am the last and beside me there is no God. Psalms 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickednes, Nor shall evil dwell with You. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, id so be that the spirit of God dwell in you.

Now you can have your own God wether it be an image, a spirit, another person, or even yourself. But the fact is that the one God that is above all names does not dwell with a sinful mind. One must be of a sinless nature and in tune with the God of the bible. Which is very hard. Based on my experience. There have been times when I tried to be perfect and sinless as much as possible. Because I wanted to experience more of God. But I failed and I went farther away from God. I still communicate with God verbaly but he no longer touches me the way he used to. But I still try now and than. I asked God to help me deal with my sins to take them away from me. But he WONT. One must will to be a good man he wont do it for you. The church would make you to believe that with a prayer God forgets your sins which is true. But than they say that God magicaly causes you to sin no more which is not true. Sure the holy spirit helps IF God gives it to you. But if you lose and offend that Holy spirit your in really deap trouble. Which is why God is usually reluctant do give it to you.

So you have to accept that the true God is above all the other Gods in the world. As evident with King Solomon in the lesser and greater keys of Solomon. he clearly acknowleges that the God in the bible is the most high. And it is that same God that granted him power over the demons. For in Genesis he gives man over all the beast of the field and all the fowls of the air. Now don't get me wrong God is omnipresent everywhere everytime. But to say that God is more intimate with every soul and that he is like a dad pardening all of man's sin is total opposite of his nature. Dwelling within the soul of every man I don't think so. Though your lesser God whatever it may be than that may be the true case.

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post Dec 10 2006, 09:25 AM
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QUOTE(GoDmAn777 @ Dec 10 2006, 05:33 AM) *
I do not label myself as a christian for christians in my view falsly interpret the bible due to ministers and false prophets. Let me now give you an overview of my spiritual philosophy pertaining to God and magick. One most also believe in the old and new testamennts in the bible but only to a certain extent. It is evident in the magickal world that spirits like satan and other demons and angels exist. Which so happen to be mentioned in the bible. Now this is how you label God and his charecteristics along with what has been created. Its simple John1-3 All things were made by him and without him was anything made that was made. Isaiah44:6 I am the first and I am the last and beside me there is no God. Psalms 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickednes, Nor shall evil dwell with You. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, id so be that the spirit of God dwell in you.

Now you can have your own God wether it be an image, a spirit, another person, or even yourself. But the fact is that the one God that is above all names does not dwell with a sinful mind. One must be of a sinless nature and in tune with the God of the bible. Which is very hard. Based on my experience. There have been times when I tried to be perfect and sinless as much as possible. Because I wanted to experience more of God. But I failed and I went farther away from God. I still communicate with God verbaly but he no longer touches me the way he used to. But I still try now and than. I asked God to help me deal with my sins to take them away from me. But he WONT. One must will to be a good man he wont do it for you. The church would make you to believe that with a prayer God forgets your sins which is true. But than they say that God magicaly causes you to sin no more which is not true. Sure the holy spirit helps IF God gives it to you. But if you lose and offend that Holy spirit your in really deap trouble. Which is why God is usually reluctant do give it to you.

So you have to accept that the true God is above all the other Gods in the world. As evident with King Solomon in the lesser and greater keys of Solomon. he clearly acknowleges that the God in the bible is the most high. And it is that same God that granted him power over the demons. For in Genesis he gives man over all the beast of the field and all the fowls of the air. Now don't get me wrong God is omnipresent everywhere everytime. But to say that God is more intimate with every soul and that he is like a dad pardening all of man's sin is total opposite of his nature. Dwelling within the soul of every man I don't think so. Though your lesser God whatever it may be than that may be the true case.


I know that the below won't change anything because you've already been touched by the essence of Jehova, and won't listen to what I have to say; but i'll ask for you to just kindly view my perception of "God".

The true God to me is not dark or light, not good or evil, not male or female, he and she is all and every. He and she is the universe and all other universes, he and she is what we are. I am black you are white, you are good I am evil, I am white you are black, you are bad I am good, regardless, we are one, and we fullfill the "all and nothing".

To this world what seems to be a "sin" may not in other dimensions, other worlds. Infact, to you what may be a sin, may not to me, or to others of different perceptions.

Now I may say that I beleive the "ONE" is what he/she is, but don't take my word for it, because i'll be honest with you, I DONT KNOW!

And that is the best explanation. But if you are going to say this or that is a sin and thus "the god" which is also "your god" will not tolerate "false behaviour?"

So are we the only living beings in this world? Is the ONE AND ONLY only concentrated on us? what makes us so special? are we like demi-gods?

See this is one of the problems we have when faith and logic collide.

To be all and nothing means to be beyond sin, beyond good and evil, something fathomless of our minds. And for the record, I don't see the one and only as anything I can even imagine with my mind.

I'm sorry I would've believed what you said above, had it been years ago, but I don't any longer, I have begun to doubt everything and replace it with logic.

If I am to burn in hell, so be it, i'll burn with pride and not ignorance.

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QUOTE(DeathStalker @ Dec 10 2006, 10:25 AM) *
The true God to me is not dark or light, not good or evil, not male or female, he and she is all and every. He and she is the universe and all other universes, he and she is what we are. I am black you are white, you are good I am evil, I am white you are black, you are bad I am good, regardless, we are one, and we fullfill the "all and nothing".

To this world what seems to be a "sin" may not in other dimensions, other worlds. Infact, to you what may be a sin, may not to me, or to others of different perceptions.

Now I may say that I beleive the "ONE" is what he/she is, but don't take my word for it, because i'll be honest with you, I DONT KNOW!

And that is the best explanation. But if you are going to say this or that is a sin and thus "the god" which is also "your god" will not tolerate "false behaviour?"

So are we the only living beings in this world? Is the ONE AND ONLY only concentrated on us? what makes us so special? are we like demi-gods?

See this is one of the problems we have when faith and logic collide.

To be all and nothing means to be beyond sin, beyond good and evil, something fathomless of our minds. And for the record, I don't see the one and only as anything I can even imagine with my mind.

I'm sorry I would've believed what you said above, had it been years ago, but I don't any longer, I have begun to doubt everything and replace it with logic.

If I am to burn in hell, so be it, i'll burn with pride and not ignorance.



In all due respect Death stalker. You failed to give me any true evidence as to why the God in the bible is not the true God. I Will agree that believing you know everything is ignorance. David the psalmist said "What is man that thou art mindfull of him?' And I agree. What seperates us from the Gods is that we start off small and puny. We choose our own path. We have free will. Hey look I admit that I am inperfect I struggle with sin. But I acknowlege that the God of Abraham is the true God.

One cannot know the true God like the other Gods. Why does he create good and evil? We see demons and Gods. The wiccans have the God and the Goddess who it seems do exist. So why did God make them I don't know. God contradicts his principle of holiness. Maybe part of evil is good who knows. Which is part of the reason why I am on this magickal journey to find the answers. When you said that you may burn in hell I was sad.

The christian church has succeded in convincing that God is some horrible being that will have mankind tortured in fire. Hell in Greek terms is translated grave rather than a place of torment. Its a false God that the church is brain washing people with so dont buy into that. Anyways.

My father was an exorcist which got me to believing. When casting out demons he would ask them questions relating to God. Such as "Is Jesus christ the son of the living God?" The demon would reluctanly reply in a very sqeeky and demonic voice. "YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS! And other faith based questions were asked to the demons. And my mom bare witness from audio tapes. And trust me my mom does not lie like that she is very honest. So im not trying to convert you for I have no religion but my own. Which is the belief that God has put me on a magickal journey to grow and be a great person. Because I am a complicated individual. God knows that. He knows I am not so easily fooled like the hypocrit church. Just like Solomon experienced wisdom through demons so shall I experience great wisdom and knowlege through some sort of magickal path/s whichever it may be.

The human ego would lead you to believe in what you want to beklieve is right. Which is what I believe is your case. You have seeked answers else where from what you know is right. You choose to believe what you want to believe is right. You convince your self that whatever God you are talking about is the true God. I think you believe in the wiccan God and Godess. I believe that God has created certain inteties to manage certain parts of the universe. These spirits abuse their powers because they are unholy. They enjoy the worship of man. They have their own pride. They help God create and keep things in control. We have spirits that do weather such as the nature spirits.

Look the point im tring to get at is their are greater beings to us that exist else where. But there is one above all. He is complicated to comprehend yes but beside him there is no other God. And he only dwells in the holy man that has his spirit. But you can still respect him and talk to him. Solomon did it when he fail to the worship of many foreing Gods and many wifes. So can people like me and you. God knows everything.

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Enochian   Each of us is made in the likeness. There is a sma...   Dec 1 2006, 01:53 PM
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