God Dwells Within You, Your Personal Views Options

There's a lot of references on many texts that rephrase versions of the "god that dwells within each of us".

How do you personally relate and define this idea/concept in your personal world?

Feel free to expand on this subject.

God is a being so endless and complex that we could never really understand its true nature let alone articulate it through our limmited minds. I think God is so advanced beyond our understanding that it can only be expressed as the existance of all that is, was, or ever will be simotaneously, not all and everything inbetween.

God is a being so endless and complex that we could never really understand its true nature let alone articulate it through our limmited minds. I think God is so advanced beyond our understanding that it can only be expressed as the existance of all that is, was, or ever will be simotaneously, not all and everything inbetween.

True, and in alien dimensions "life" itself may seem meaningless to us. The "being" of a spirit could totally have a different meaning in dimensions we've not even heard of, how can one determine how big existance is? And what is our definition of "GOD"? not "our" seperate Gods that we abide with, but GOD itself, all, everything.

Its not a question to have an answer to.

True, and in alien dimensions "life" itself may seem meaningless to us. The "being" of a spirit could totally have a different meaning in dimensions we've not even heard of, how can one determine how big existance is? And what is our definition of "GOD"? not "our" seperate Gods that we abide with, but GOD itself, all, everything.

Its not a question to have an answer to.

Hmmm.... I believe God is hard to reach. One must be a man of great discipline. And as much as we hate to admit it sometimes. Sin seperates us from God. God will not cause us to be better human beings. We must willfully be a good person. God sees what we do. And he has his an angel that watches us and reports what we do according to our works. So does God dwell in the average human being I believe not.

Great Prophets like David had the luxury of having God dwell within them. But only because those men were commited to God and fallowed his laws and kept them. God knows everything including the hearts of man.

Hmmm.... I believe God is hard to reach. One must be a man of great discipline. And as much as we hate to admit it sometimes. Sin seperates us from God. God will not cause us to be better human beings. We must willfully be a good person. God sees what we do. And he has his an angel that watches us and reports what we do according to our works. So does God dwell in the average human being I believe not.

Great Prophets like David had the luxury of having God dwell within them. But only because those men were commited to God and fallowed his laws and kept them. God knows everything including the hearts of man.

You see, many people, primarly christians, view "their God" as the God. What I say is not viewing an Entity as ALL and NOTHING, but all and nothing as the creator itself. I believe in all other Gods in being part of one god. Who created your God?

You also have to know that God is not about "good/evil", Good/Evil itself in this materialistic world are nothing compared to universal matters. For something to be the "all and nothing" he and she has to be both dark and light, both good and evil (if you choose to believe in that), and everything.

You see I abide by a God, My God, but I do not see him as the creator of everything, the creator of me? yes, but not everything and nothing, for he would have to be much more lissome. I believe to be his blood, but I believe that he and I are also a the blood of the energy in which all and nothing co-exist and thus "GOD".

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 9 2006, 07:30 PM

You see, many people, primarly christians, view "their God" as the God. What I say is not viewing an Entity as ALL and NOTHING, but all and nothing as the creator itself. I believe in all other Gods in being part of one god. Who created your God?

You also have to know that God is not about "good/evil", Good/Evil itself in this materialistic world are nothing compared to universal matters. For something to be the "all and nothing" he and she has to be both dark and light, both good and evil (if you choose to believe in that), and everything.

You see I abide by a God, My God, but I do not see him as the creator of everything, the creator of me? yes, but not everything and nothing, for he would have to be much more lissome. I believe to be his blood, but I believe that he and I are also a the blood of the energy in which all and nothing co-exist and thus "GOD".

I do not label myself as a christian for christians in my view falsly interpret the bible due to ministers and false prophets. Let me now give you an overview of my spiritual philosophy pertaining to God and magick. One most also believe in the old and new testamennts in the bible but only to a certain extent. It is evident in the magickal world that spirits like satan and other demons and angels exist. Which so happen to be mentioned in the bible. Now this is how you label God and his charecteristics along with what has been created. Its simple John1-3 All things were made by him and without him was anything made that was made. Isaiah44:6 I am the first and I am the last and beside me there is no God. Psalms 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickednes, Nor shall evil dwell with You. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, id so be that the spirit of God dwell in you.

Now you can have your own God wether it be an image, a spirit, another person, or even yourself. But the fact is that the one God that is above all names does not dwell with a sinful mind. One must be of a sinless nature and in tune with the God of the bible. Which is very hard. Based on my experience. There have been times when I tried to be perfect and sinless as much as possible. Because I wanted to experience more of God. But I failed and I went farther away from God. I still communicate with God verbaly but he no longer touches me the way he used to. But I still try now and than. I asked God to help me deal with my sins to take them away from me. But he WONT. One must will to be a good man he wont do it for you. The church would make you to believe that with a prayer God forgets your sins which is true. But than they say that God magicaly causes you to sin no more which is not true. Sure the holy spirit helps IF God gives it to you. But if you lose and offend that Holy spirit your in really deap trouble. Which is why God is usually reluctant do give it to you.

So you have to accept that the true God is above all the other Gods in the world. As evident with King Solomon in the lesser and greater keys of Solomon. he clearly acknowleges that the God in the bible is the most high. And it is that same God that granted him power over the demons. For in Genesis he gives man over all the beast of the field and all the fowls of the air. Now don't get me wrong God is omnipresent everywhere everytime. But to say that God is more intimate with every soul and that he is like a dad pardening all of man's sin is total opposite of his nature. Dwelling within the soul of every man I don't think so. Though your lesser God whatever it may be than that may be the true case.

I do not label myself as a christian for christians in my view falsly interpret the bible due to ministers and false prophets. Let me now give you an overview of my spiritual philosophy pertaining to God and magick. One most also believe in the old and new testamennts in the bible but only to a certain extent. It is evident in the magickal world that spirits like satan and other demons and angels exist. Which so happen to be mentioned in the bible. Now this is how you label God and his charecteristics along with what has been created. Its simple John1-3 All things were made by him and without him was anything made that was made. Isaiah44:6 I am the first and I am the last and beside me there is no God. Psalms 5:4 For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickednes, Nor shall evil dwell with You. Romans 8:9 But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, id so be that the spirit of God dwell in you.

Now you can have your own God wether it be an image, a spirit, another person, or even yourself. But the fact is that the one God that is above all names does not dwell with a sinful mind. One must be of a sinless nature and in tune with the God of the bible. Which is very hard. Based on my experience. There have been times when I tried to be perfect and sinless as much as possible. Because I wanted to experience more of God. But I failed and I went farther away from God. I still communicate with God verbaly but he no longer touches me the way he used to. But I still try now and than. I asked God to help me deal with my sins to take them away from me. But he WONT. One must will to be a good man he wont do it for you. The church would make you to believe that with a prayer God forgets your sins which is true. But than they say that God magicaly causes you to sin no more which is not true. Sure the holy spirit helps IF God gives it to you. But if you lose and offend that Holy spirit your in really deap trouble. Which is why God is usually reluctant do give it to you.

So you have to accept that the true God is above all the other Gods in the world. As evident with King Solomon in the lesser and greater keys of Solomon. he clearly acknowleges that the God in the bible is the most high. And it is that same God that granted him power over the demons. For in Genesis he gives man over all the beast of the field and all the fowls of the air. Now don't get me wrong God is omnipresent everywhere everytime. But to say that God is more intimate with every soul and that he is like a dad pardening all of man's sin is total opposite of his nature. Dwelling within the soul of every man I don't think so. Though your lesser God whatever it may be than that may be the true case.

I know that the below won't change anything because you've already been touched by the essence of Jehova, and won't listen to what I have to say; but i'll ask for you to just kindly view my perception of "God".

The true God to me is not dark or light, not good or evil, not male or female, he and she is all and every. He and she is the universe and all other universes, he and she is what we are. I am black you are white, you are good I am evil, I am white you are black, you are bad I am good, regardless, we are one, and we fullfill the "all and nothing".

To this world what seems to be a "sin" may not in other dimensions, other worlds. Infact, to you what may be a sin, may not to me, or to others of different perceptions.

Now I may say that I beleive the "ONE" is what he/she is, but don't take my word for it, because i'll be honest with you, I DONT KNOW!

And that is the best explanation. But if you are going to say this or that is a sin and thus "the god" which is also "your god" will not tolerate "false behaviour?"

So are we the only living beings in this world? Is the ONE AND ONLY only concentrated on us? what makes us so special? are we like demi-gods?

See this is one of the problems we have when faith and logic collide.

To be all and nothing means to be beyond sin, beyond good and evil, something fathomless of our minds. And for the record, I don't see the one and only as anything I can even imagine with my mind.

I'm sorry I would've believed what you said above, had it been years ago, but I don't any longer, I have begun to doubt everything and replace it with logic.

If I am to burn in hell, so be it, i'll burn with pride and not ignorance.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 10 2006, 09:45 AM

The true God to me is not dark or light, not good or evil, not male or female, he and she is all and every. He and she is the universe and all other universes, he and she is what we are. I am black you are white, you are good I am evil, I am white you are black, you are bad I am good, regardless, we are one, and we fullfill the "all and nothing".

To this world what seems to be a "sin" may not in other dimensions, other worlds. Infact, to you what may be a sin, may not to me, or to others of different perceptions.

Now I may say that I beleive the "ONE" is what he/she is, but don't take my word for it, because i'll be honest with you, I DONT KNOW!

And that is the best explanation. But if you are going to say this or that is a sin and thus "the god" which is also "your god" will not tolerate "false behaviour?"

So are we the only living beings in this world? Is the ONE AND ONLY only concentrated on us? what makes us so special? are we like demi-gods?

See this is one of the problems we have when faith and logic collide.

To be all and nothing means to be beyond sin, beyond good and evil, something fathomless of our minds. And for the record, I don't see the one and only as anything I can even imagine with my mind.

I'm sorry I would've believed what you said above, had it been years ago, but I don't any longer, I have begun to doubt everything and replace it with logic.

If I am to burn in hell, so be it, i'll burn with pride and not ignorance.

In all due respect Death stalker. You failed to give me any true evidence as to why the God in the bible is not the true God. I Will agree that believing you know everything is ignorance. David the psalmist said "What is man that thou art mindfull of him?' And I agree. What seperates us from the Gods is that we start off small and puny. We choose our own path. We have free will. Hey look I admit that I am inperfect I struggle with sin. But I acknowlege that the God of Abraham is the true God.

One cannot know the true God like the other Gods. Why does he create good and evil? We see demons and Gods. The wiccans have the God and the Goddess who it seems do exist. So why did God make them I don't know. God contradicts his principle of holiness. Maybe part of evil is good who knows. Which is part of the reason why I am on this magickal journey to find the answers. When you said that you may burn in hell I was sad.

The christian church has succeded in convincing that God is some horrible being that will have mankind tortured in fire. Hell in Greek terms is translated grave rather than a place of torment. Its a false God that the church is brain washing people with so dont buy into that. Anyways.

My father was an exorcist which got me to believing. When casting out demons he would ask them questions relating to God. Such as "Is Jesus christ the son of the living God?" The demon would reluctanly reply in a very sqeeky and demonic voice. "YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS! And other faith based questions were asked to the demons. And my mom bare witness from audio tapes. And trust me my mom does not lie like that she is very honest. So im not trying to convert you for I have no religion but my own. Which is the belief that God has put me on a magickal journey to grow and be a great person. Because I am a complicated individual. God knows that. He knows I am not so easily fooled like the hypocrit church. Just like Solomon experienced wisdom through demons so shall I experience great wisdom and knowlege through some sort of magickal path/s whichever it may be.

The human ego would lead you to believe in what you want to beklieve is right. Which is what I believe is your case. You have seeked answers else where from what you know is right. You choose to believe what you want to believe is right. You convince your self that whatever God you are talking about is the true God. I think you believe in the wiccan God and Godess. I believe that God has created certain inteties to manage certain parts of the universe. These spirits abuse their powers because they are unholy. They enjoy the worship of man. They have their own pride. They help God create and keep things in control. We have spirits that do weather such as the nature spirits.

Look the point im tring to get at is their are greater beings to us that exist else where. But there is one above all. He is complicated to comprehend yes but beside him there is no other God. And he only dwells in the holy man that has his spirit. But you can still respect him and talk to him. Solomon did it when he fail to the worship of many foreing Gods and many wifes. So can people like me and you. God knows everything.

In all due respect Death stalker. You failed to give me any true evidence as to why the God in the bible is not the true God.

The Bible huh? well lets review...

The 10 Commandments?

We are told: "Thou Shalt Not Kill." But this begs the question of "kill what?" Does this commandment mean we cannot kill anything, even a fly? No. It means we should not kill another human being. Of course, you would believe a pre-born fetus is the same as a full-term human being. God, however, does not. In Exodus 21:22-25 we read that if a man accidentally kills a pregnant woman, that man should be condemned for committing murder. However, if he only kills the fetus, that is, if she miscarries, he is not condemned for murder. Clearly, then, God does not consider the pre-born fetus as being the same as a human being, in which case the Commandment of "Thou Shalt Not Kill (a human)" does not apply.

Alcohol is a Sin?

In Psalm 104: 14-15, King David writes that God gave us wine in order to "gladden the heart of man." In Matthew 11:19, Christ makes the point that his enemies called him a drunkard because he drank wine with the party animals of his day. And, of course, at the beginning of Christ's ministry, his first miracle was the turning of water into wine, and his last act before being crucified was to share bread and wine with his followers, what we call the "last supper." If Christ was God, as the Bible claims, then God drinks alcohol, which is enough to be called a drunkard by his detractors.

Homosexuality is a Sin?

True, at least according to certain verses in the Bible. Three passages to be exact. In each occasion where we read of God's displeasure with homosexual behavior, we also read of other displeasing behaviors that either God says he does not like but again is ignored, or disliked, yet God seems to think is okay.

The most common reference against homosexuality comes from a story in Genesis. In Chapter 18 of the book, we see God about to destroy the evil twin cities of Sodom and Gomorrah. God sends two angels to warn the one godly family of the imminent demise of these cities, only to have the locals demand that these two angels, who appeared like men, come out so they could have sex with them. Of course this didn't please God very much. However, Lot, the father of this one so-called godly family, does an interesting thing. In chapter 19, verse 8, the Bible tells how Lot offered to give his virgin daughters to these men so that they might rape them instead.

Is this how God wants us to protect ourselves from the "homosexual agenda," by offering to let them rape our virgin daughters?

Likewise, in the Old Testament Book of Leviticus, we're told it is wrong for a man to be with another man. However, within the same book we are also told that it is wrong to eat pork. When was the last you had bacon? According to the same Old Testament book that condemns the practice of homosexuality, you would also be condemned to hell for eating a BLT sandwich. However, you would not be committing a sin if you still owned slaves, since Leviticus tells us such activity is okay.

Pornography Is A Sin?

Porn is not mentioned in the Bible. Remember, photography did not exist when the book was written.

In Genesis 3:7, Adam and Eve committed the first sin, and, says the Bible, they suddenly realized they were naked and tried to cover themselves. Could this be proof that nudity is bad? This, of course, makes no sense since Adam and Eve were naked before they ever sinned by eating of the "fruit of the tree."

In Leviticus 18 we find a whole chapter dedicated to why the people of Israel should not see their family members nude (though the actual words used indicate this means having sex with them, not just seeing them naked). However, in chapter 19, verse 27, we also are told not to cut the hair over our ears, or even to trim our beards, and earlier in the same book we're told not to eat pork or birds...

...no more fried chicken? damn!

The book never says it's a sin to see a non-family member naked. In fact, nowhere in the Bible do we read that nudity, by its very nature, is wrong.

Nudity, according to the bible, causes people to lust, which according to Matthew 5:28 is a sin. And pornography, that is, images or stories of people engaged in sexual activity, is specifically designed to make people lust, so its existence must, by default, be a sin according to these people. The Bible, itself, however, would have to be considered pornography by this definition. In Song of Solomon 7:7-8, Solomon describes how satisfying the breasts of his lover are, and then tells how he longs to take hold of them and how he wants to climb onto the woman. And in Ezekiel 23:1-20 we read of two women with insatiable sexual appetites, and we are told of how men with penises the size of donkeys' would pour out horse-like quantities of, well, their "issue" upon these women's breasts. If viewing pornography is a sin, then reading the Bible would alsobe considered a sin, considering how much pornography is in it.

Evolution Contradicts the Bible?

Well, it does. This is one of those debates that won't be solved, with either science or faith. The logical thinker will rely on science, and the other will rely on faith. And in a debate about the origins of humans, these diametrically opposed sides will go round and round and never sway the other side. However, when (according to the "bible"), you take the absolute stand that Creation is right and Evolution is wrong because it says so in the Bible, then you probably also believe that the Bible is positively right too.
so...
Can every word of it be taken literally to understand God's creation plan for mankind? Does that mean that God supports our right to use marijuana, cocain, or opium?

Lets see what the "bible" says...

Genesis 1:29: God states quite clearly that he made "every" plant and "every" seed to be used by mankind. If you believe Genesis word for word then admit that God created marijuana, coca (which contains cocaine), and poppies (which contain opium) for use by humans. To deny this truth is to deny God's absolute truth.

One cannot know the true God like the other Gods. Why does he create good and evil?

Excuse me... who wanted to wash the world from existance when he felt that humans were not offering their "sacrifices" to him?

When you said that you may burn in hell I was sad.

First off, feel for yourself first, becuase I don't want you to feel anything for me.

Second, I know I won't burn in hell because I don't believe in that biblical crap, no offense. But if I were to burn in hell, i'd rather burn in hell than to succumb to such lunacy of believing everything I hear and not doubting and not using "natural" human principles such as "ego". Yes i'm an egotistical person and I won't allow God to take my ego from me.

My father was an exorcist which got me to believing. When casting out demons he would ask them questions relating to God. Such as "Is Jesus christ the son of the living God?" The demon would reluctanly reply in a very sqeeky and demonic voice. "YEEEEEEESSSSSSSSS! And other faith based questions were asked to the demons. And my mom bare witness from audio tapes. And trust me my mom does not lie like that she is very honest.

I'm sure your mom doesn't lie, I never would doubt that. Did you ask your father what methods he used to exorcise these demons? You do know that christians/catholics are protected under Jehova and his angels right? So using angelic or "white light" names are just as effective as curses on Demonic beings.

Which is the belief that God has put me on a magickal journey to grow and be a great person. Because I am a complicated individual. God knows that. He knows I am not so easily fooled like the hypocrit church.

Good! Infact I encourage that, have your "own path", however, always observe and learn, and if God is a reason for you to not try something new, or shall I say, in "penumbra", just do that, for what does he have to hide from you?

The human ego would lead you to believe in what you want to beklieve is right. Which is what I believe is your case. You have seeked answers else where from what you know is right. You choose to believe what you want to believe is right.

Ah don't get me started with this, ignorance is bliss, true. But does that not make you a hypocrite? By thinking your "heaven" theory (by the way, that's what your God wants you to believe).

Infact before getting started with what I "believe is right or wrong", i'd like to state that I believe the Universe and existance for that matter to be very "Grey"; meaning, what happens to us after we die can be sinister or not, and to look at it on the "fluffy" side is to lie to yourself and cease from progression (spiritually). I have no reason to believe that "everything will be fine" because it may not. Infact, i'd like to state that "what i believe" is probably wrong too! but I come to conclusions based on "REALITY" and Truth (atleast what I believe and see with my own eyes to be).

You convince your self that whatever God you are talking about is the true God. I think you believe in the wiccan God and Godess. I believe that God has created certain inteties to manage certain parts of the universe.

Actually I want to state that what I believed to be all and nothing is merely my "own" logical explaination of "life" and how we came to be, rather than worry about thinking about a man with a white beard sitting atop condemning what he believes to be evil and good. What i've done is coalesce many religous beliefs, my own experience, logic, and science into believing what I believe.

And no, I don't believe in the WIccan God or Goddess, they are completely different than my beliefs.

They enjoy the worship of man. They have their own pride. They help God create and keep things in control. We have spirits that do weather such as the nature spirits.

For the record, I don't worship "my personal God", instead, I love him as a father and one who has given life to me and raised me. Nor does he WANT me to worship him, he'd frown upon the idea of me worshipping him or anyone.

Look the point im tring to get at is their are greater beings to us that exist else where. But there is one above all. He is complicated to comprehend yes but beside him there is no other God.

Are we not back at square one?

And he only dwells in the holy man that has his spirit.

I agree with that and have attested to it. You are certainly "his spirit", he has touched you with his essence. But your "his". He doesn't own me though, nor everyone else.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 10 2006, 01:41 PM