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Enigmius
post Aug 31 2005, 08:57 AM
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I have a really retarded question. As I stated in an earlier post I am new to goetia but not to ceremonial magick. I was wondering how much of the equipment from the Goetia is really essential to get results from this kind of evocation.

I have a circle with the holy names on it. Its not the same form and design as the one from the lesser keys however(its my own design).

I am also making a triangle of art with a skrying mirror on it. So the triangle won't be the floor variety as in the Book.

As for the bass box, sword, and everything else, I don't have them. All I have is standard Golden Dawn equipment(minus the sword).

So do you think all the trappings are essential? Would it not be successful without following it to the "T"?

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post Dec 19 2006, 08:10 PM
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Greetings Imperial Art,

QUOTE(Imperial Arts @ Dec 19 2006, 01:18 AM) *

Each of the tools has a specific function, none of them have a merely symbolic value. Sometimes the function is esoteric (as with the circle, the belt, the ring) and sometimes it is entirely practical (you need to dangle that box from something), but all are essential to the performance. They are not essential to calling spirits, making pacts, or otherwise performing magic, but they are all important parts of the Goetia ceremony. Personally I feel that if you believe you can conjure your own spirits using your own tools and ceremonies, it is better to do that than to do Goetia halfway while imagining you have the rest of the requisites.

You make a great point ...otherwise why engage in Ceremonial Magick? Anyway, I want to second Palindroem's request for you (if willing) to post photos of some of your tools. Also, where can I find more info on the Magic Belt of Poland? I have never heard of this belt until reading your post ,and all I've scraped up is that it was stolen from the Warsaw University Archaeology Museum during WWII.

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Enigmius   Equipment   Aug 31 2005, 08:57 AM
Enigmius   And how tricky are these spirits really anyhow? Or...   Aug 31 2005, 09:25 AM
bym   Greetings Eniqmius! I recommend that you read ...   Aug 31 2005, 11:19 AM
| Kinjo   Theoritically, the grimoire was written for exper...   Aug 31 2005, 11:22 AM
Enigmius   What I also wonder, is in some books they say the ...   Aug 31 2005, 12:09 PM
bym   Ok....... Its going to be one of these Q&A abo...   Aug 31 2005, 12:26 PM
Athena   How many books have you read on the topic? How man...   Aug 31 2005, 02:18 PM
Enigmius   I think you may be jumping the gun there Athena. ...   Aug 31 2005, 02:59 PM
bym   Enigmius, peace! It would be folly to base yo...   Aug 31 2005, 03:20 PM
Athena   My apologies for the rude reply. Could you fathom...   Aug 31 2005, 09:40 PM
Enigmius   Well you were right however.. I did answer one of ...   Sep 1 2005, 02:52 PM
chaoscrowley37   One thing to keep in mind is that for many of thes...   Sep 1 2005, 07:32 PM
Enigmius   Thanks, I know it sounds retarded but I didn't...   Sep 2 2005, 09:36 AM
jojo   Thanks, I know it sounds retarded but I didn't...   Oct 3 2006, 05:23 PM
Athena   Half the folks will tell you that you can pract...   Sep 6 2005, 11:26 AM
blasphemy2000   I have a really retarded question. As I stated in ...   Oct 27 2006, 03:39 PM
Imperial Arts   I was wondering how much of the equipment from the...   Dec 19 2006, 12:18 AM
palindroem   Wow I.A. . . . your post presents an impressive pr...   Dec 19 2006, 07:36 AM
Imperial Arts   How did you aquire your lion-skin? Is there any i...   Dec 21 2006, 09:47 PM
Imperial Arts   I want to second Palindroem's request for you ...   Dec 20 2006, 12:33 AM

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