Is The Earth Sad? Options

Dudes well as i am a fulltime Nec practitioner, so i post that in this section coz there might be smthing related to the Nec:



I have been waking earlier these days due to exams. when go out before sun rise, still in the dark, then the breeze is still cool, when you still get to feel the spiritual world energy, there is a sensing from the planet that i get. its a sort of saddness...



About 10 years back i was waking about 4am for revision also, and previously i felt lazy and dormant and a bit null concerning emotions, but now as i into the magical for a bit more that 1 yr, i can sense emotions....



This reminds me of Final fantasy where the dudes could hear the earths cries.

One thing i would like to metion is that since i got my Bandar, i no longer have nightmares as such. But once when a real powerful evil stuff got into our dimension, i sensed that through a nightmare. No Worries the evil is gone.

But since sometime i have been also getting dreams of Alien ships getting into earth and trying to kick our butts in ways thats horrible. Once i was even like tracked by sorts of helicopters but fortunately another army of helicopters came to flee that one.

Well these need interpretations, Seraphim told me that the helicopter might be a demon monitoring me and my Bandar and the spirits protecting me came to piss it off....



But coming back to the earth, i really wish the feelings i got are only my imagination. what i feel is that the earth showing it being destroyed. a sort of weeping as in the final fantasy movie. :-(



Anyone want to say something on this feeling.?



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Greetings A Smoking Fox,

I fear that you may be extrapolating notions from my argument that do not exist. I have gone through your post and have made an attempt to address each issue you bring to the forefront to the best of my abilities. I ask that in the future you do the same for me,so that I may know from where you gather the information and accusations you level against me.

Faust, i understand well enough that we cannot destroy the earth as a planet. And that life will reemerge continually.
But that does not mean we cannot do damage to the planet.

I accept your point… indeed we can damage the planet temporarily

Your idea of the need for destruction is full of holes. There is just nothing to be gained from it.
There doesn't need to be destruction for new things to emerge. Evolution comes naturally and peacefully over years, there is no need for the destruction of anything.
Destruction only delays evolution, it brings a wasted deadland for millions of years on this planet, something the planet has no desire for.

Here I respectfully disagree… indeed the destruction of dinosaurs was necessary to bring forth the age of the mammal. Yes in a sense it delays evolution, but it also paves the way for new forms of evolution that could not arise in the previous epoch. This is crux of my thesis…it is everywhere around us; things die to make room for newer and different things. Natural selection is a clear example of this, albeit at less drastic scale.

You claim it is egotistical to think we can kill earth, even more so, i think it is egotistical to think we cannot harm the earth.

Fair enough, that is your opinion

I think we can all agree that earth's natural state of being, its "enligthenment" is to be filled with life. Because that is what the earth strifes for.
It is the point towards what earth moves every time again and again.
At every destruction, after every ice age, it moves towards life again. It evolves towards a green planet, filled with life.
So, this seems to be earths own wish, its goal, becouse it comes naturally to it.
Wo are we then to deny it, and on what logic do you claim the need for the damage you seem to advocate.

Once again, I turn to the above example. In the long-run, when life on earth reaches a status-quo (i.e. no new apex species will arise via natural selection)…destruction is the only means by which life can extend in a new direction. Now here we get into religio-philosophical issues, and thus naturally we will not all agree.

It is my belief that humans are not the purpose of creation. Our physical “hairless monkey” bodies are merely vessels to incubate the immaterial aspect (soul, life force, spirit, call it what you will) that has evolved alongside our physical bodies. This immaterial aspect is one in the same with the spirit of the earth, the gods, and the goddesses as it is an emanation of the One, the Godhead. It returns once more to this source to be emanated again in the next cycle of creation.

I understand your point well enough, so we can'tt "kill" earth. But not all that damages and hurts a being kills a being.
Perhaps if we where to take your standpoint, it would be best to really try to kill earth, since torture is a cruel fate.

I enjoy torture; that is why I stick a pitchfork in the earth and into my girlfriend each and every day (heavy sarcasm).

And then we come to the point of every living creature on earth, nature itself.
So, compassion and respect for whats green and alive on this earth is egotistical to you?

No, what is egotistical is the belief that we can function outside of nature, fix nature, heal nature. We are nature and as I expressed in my first post everything that we make and do is nature. By destroying the current ecosystem we are letting nature take its course, by not-destroying the current ecosystem we are letting nature takes its course. In the end nature’s course will be destruction and then creation once more. My point being that whether we bring it upon ourselves or nature brings it upon us it is going to happen, and when we talk about saving the planet – we are really just talking about saving ourselves, or at least prolonging our existence. I have no moral objection to this; however, I do think it is a reflection of the human Ego and should be expressed as such.

Caring about nature at the expense of your own species (by researching green energies) is what you see as selfish?

Read above, or better yet, understand the above.

I think it takes an enlightened being to put the needs of other life before his own, and not the other way around as you claim.
But our defenition of egotistical behaviour and enlightenment could differ, i suppose.

An enlightened being realizes that there is no separation between him/herself and other life. There is no hierarchy of what comes first as there is no separation.

I still cannot see how you could advocate the death of millions based on the idea that ours destroying earth is an egotistical notion.
So if we try not to kill every life on this planet, we are being just plain selfish? (sarcasm intended).
Sorry, i just disagree with that.

Have I been advocating the death of millions? No, re-read my posts, I explicitly mention the words “hypothetical” or “perhaps” to indicate an alternate view point that is worth considering. Not once do I say that we should blow each other to bits, I only posit an alternate perspective viewed from outside the realm of human experience.

(Sarcasm heavily intended )
I do agree that your standpoint is a comforting one. Hey, what the hell, lets all polute and kill the squirrels crossing the street while riding our big suv's.
Because you have a standpoint that negates the need for caring about the state of our eco-system.
Mighty convienient, and, will you believe it, its a spiritual idea as well.
So kill the earth then, its good for our soul, its compassion in its highest form?
(End sarcasm)

Sorry man, i don't see your logic...

Man, I must be a horrible writer. You did not comprehend anything that I wished to get across. Either that or you’ve become too emotionally attached to this subject and have opted to pick and choose my statements to fit your argument. I quote the last paragraph of the post that I directed to you yesterday:

In sum, there is no point in speeding up the process of destruction intentionally. The destruction will come-either from the microcosm (our A-bombs) or from the macrocosm (another meteorite). It is this destruction that will pave the way for a new form of existence... From the ashes of a destroyed ecosystem, new and wonderful things emerge that paint life on this planet in a new light. It is the limitations of physical human life that make this concept difficult to grasp. A human lifetime is nothing. Think in thousands and hundreds of thousands of years and you will come to see the beauty of this process in which we find ourselves. For this reason I embrace the destruction. After all, as the Ouroboros reminds us, alpha is omega and destruction is creation.

Perhaps I should be more clear. I embrace the destruction in whatever form it comes. I am not condoning selfish consumption to bring a quicker end. I am simply addressing the issue of this threads topic in a manner distanced from our human experience.