Is The Earth Sad? Options

Dudes well as i am a fulltime Nec practitioner, so i post that in this section coz there might be smthing related to the Nec:



I have been waking earlier these days due to exams. when go out before sun rise, still in the dark, then the breeze is still cool, when you still get to feel the spiritual world energy, there is a sensing from the planet that i get. its a sort of saddness...



About 10 years back i was waking about 4am for revision also, and previously i felt lazy and dormant and a bit null concerning emotions, but now as i into the magical for a bit more that 1 yr, i can sense emotions....



This reminds me of Final fantasy where the dudes could hear the earths cries.

One thing i would like to metion is that since i got my Bandar, i no longer have nightmares as such. But once when a real powerful evil stuff got into our dimension, i sensed that through a nightmare. No Worries the evil is gone.

But since sometime i have been also getting dreams of Alien ships getting into earth and trying to kick our butts in ways thats horrible. Once i was even like tracked by sorts of helicopters but fortunately another army of helicopters came to flee that one.

Well these need interpretations, Seraphim told me that the helicopter might be a demon monitoring me and my Bandar and the spirits protecting me came to piss it off....



But coming back to the earth, i really wish the feelings i got are only my imagination. what i feel is that the earth showing it being destroyed. a sort of weeping as in the final fantasy movie. :-(



Anyone want to say something on this feeling.?



mystick

We kill plants, we kill animals, we kill ourselves…its all Nature. Nothing on this planet whether organic, industrial, or technological is outside the realm of Nature... An atomic bomb? Yeah that’s nature too and if it within Nature’s (or the Godhead’s) Will, we will use it to destroy ourselves.

We (including our present day plant and animal species) are infidecimal ticks in the grand galactic clock of Creation…let Nature take its course!

The argument that humans are destroying the planet really has no basis. We may be destroying our existence on this planet, but as it has shown over and over again, the planet will evolve and survive.

If the earth speaks to you ask it how many times the apex species has been wiped out, ask it how many times have forests perished, flora and fauna disappeared never to be seen again…and then sense the tranquility in its response. Realize that it’s all part of the cycles of Creation-Destruction.

How do you know? Do you know what is beneficial for the planet? Perhaps to reach its next stage of planetary evolution, Earth needs a change – a big change and we are the agents who will produce that change

As for the spirit-all I'm advocating is the destruction of the Ego. When you realize that "I am" from a non-dual perspective, meaning I am all (emanation/creation ), or I am nothing (contraction/destruction), then our petty worries about a-bombs and the current ecosystem become irreverent.

For this reason I embrace the destruction. After all, as the Ouroboros reminds us, alpha is omega and destruction is creation.

Some quotes i gathered togheter from your all previous posts Faust.
While i must agree that you are not directly advocating the destruction of life, you are indirectly doing so.
You where advocating being passive about saving the earth so as a result you are indirectly destroying life on earth.
Its a point of, if your not part of the solution your part of the problem.

And on some level you where even directly advocating its destruction at one time. You say we are a part of nature,
with our atomic bombs and pollution, and then you say to let nature run its course, meaning our destroying of life on earth.

Another main point is that you claim the earth does not care about destruction of life. Wich i believe is false to say.
To show this i pointed out the moral flaws in your logic, i did not make this clear, wich was my error, but i knowingly turned it into a moral debate.
My moral point was in my eyes a direct result of your point of view. You said the A, and i said what i felt the resulting B.

As far as the value of life goes, with logic you will always win this discussion, because there is no logical reason for life to even exist. There is no logic that can define the importance of life, there is also no logic that can define the goodness or the need for life. The moon has no life, an neither does the sun, yet they exist. Nothing on this planet, not even nature has a logical reason to exist. That is because nature is pure chaos, it just seems orderly on the outside, it has no reason it just exists.
Logicly speaking, life has no real value, hell, the existance of the universe has no logical value, it just exists. being coldly logical it does not matter if the universe exists or not, but that logic serves no purpose.

But as far as the earth goes, that does not mean it is incapable of being sad.

Also, you seem to base some part of your reasoning on the idea that being enlightened equals being cold and logical. In this point i disagree.
Why is this important, because you claim the earth does not care about the life on it, you seem to be of the idea that the entity "earth" is cold and logical in nature.
For this, neither of us have proof. But if the earth is an enlightened being, i believe it cares for the life on its surface and desire to keep it alive.
As such we should respect its wishes. So we may not be damaging the earth physicly, we surely are i believe, damaging it spiritually and emotionally.
So it could be possible that the earth is crying out in pain.

I am merely arguing our human insignificance and stating that one-day the current ecosystem will be destroyed…it is the process which has continuously occurred in this planets 4.5 billion year history.

I hate to say it, but this is one argument were my logic is airtight. In fact you might say that I have approached this question through a callous and entirely logical perspective distancing myself from emotion and morals.

Yore logic about the destruction of earth eventually is true. But that does not mean there is logic and reason to accept an early end for life on its surface.
Its not because someday you die, you have to kill yourself now. Its not because someday the earth will die we have to kill it now.

You seem to forget the existance of time in your argument. It is cold logic that if we do not interviene and play god, the earth will have this ecosystem for some million years into the future. The value of this time may be debatable, but the time is here, and we humans play a significant role in the scale of that time.
Your logic equates a million years of life, to perhaps a few years if we go out killing things at a massive scale.

Youre logic is flawed in the same way as this.
If a is a letter and b is a letter then a and b are the same.
If "destruction tomorrow" is destruction , and "destruction in a million years" is destruction , then both destruction are the same.
They are both deaths, but they happen on a different scale, and different beings are killed. Also, the millions of creatures and people that might live in between the two points make the two deaths different.
You claim there is no difference in the two destructions, while there clearly is. There is a clear logical difference between the two destructions of life on earth, and that difference lies in the time and events occuring in between the two.
You can claim that there is no value in the life and time that goes between these two events, but that is not logic, you cannot prove or disprove the value of that time and life and the equality of the two events. You can claim it holds no value, but that is not logic, that is negative morality, or what some call "evil".


Also, don't get me wrong, i am really enjoying this discussion at the moment (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)