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Tiamat... Dagon?

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DarK	Dec 20 2006, 02:44 AM Post #1
Zelator Posts: 469 Age: N/A Gender: Female Reputation: 11 pts	I know this question may be some off, but is the Mesopatamian Goddess "Tiamat" the same as "Dagon" from the Necronomicon? It is said that Tiamat was slain by Marduk, as I was doing research on Mesopatamian Mythology. From my understanding, Dagon was known as a female as well, if not, androgynous, but not fully a male Old one. Is Tiamat really the same as Dagon?

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Eabatu	Dec 20 2006, 03:41 AM Post #2
Zelator Posts: 204 Age: N/A Gender: Male From: Naples ,FL Reputation: 7 pts	I always felt Dagon was Cthulu from Lovecraftian lore. Another thing as well, I tend to think once u get to these deeper levels of the Ancient Ones male and female tend to converge more and more. It seems that sex means nothing to these entities as they seem to reproduce via other methods than we are aware of. Like spores or something like that. In sumation I believe Dagon is Cthulu-----but then again there is this Therion song Dagon where Dagon is portrayed as female............see how this tends to become a merry-go-round? Did that make things clearer or more muddled? Final answer: DAGON=CTHULU -------------------- IA ZI DINGIR ENKI KANPA! IA ZI DINGIR EA KANPA! IA ZI DINGIR NUDIMMUD KANPA! IA ZI DINGIR OANNES KANPA!

DarK	Dec 20 2006, 04:16 AM Post #3
Zelator Posts: 469 Age: N/A Gender: Female Reputation: 11 pts	QUOTE(Suxur-Mash596 @ Dec 20 2006, 01:41 AM) I always felt Dagon was Cthulu from Lovecraftian lore. Another thing as well, I tend to think once u get to these deeper levels of the Ancient Ones male and female tend to converge more and more. It seems that sex means nothing to these entities as they seem to reproduce via other methods than we are aware of. Like spores or something like that. In sumation I believe Dagon is Cthulu-----but then again there is this Therion song Dagon where Dagon is portrayed as female............see how this tends to become a merry-go-round? Did that make things clearer or more muddled? Final answer: DAGON=CTHULU Another reason why I believed Tiamat to be Dagon was the factor that they are both Sea Serpents (Dragons), and that in Lovecraftian lore (or Necronomicon versions) Cthulhu and Dagon are depicted as seperate entities. Anyways, seems interesting because many people view Tiamat as a "helpful" guide and a good-bringer to humanity, whereas Dagon, being an Old One, clearly has other ambitions.

UnKnown1	Dec 20 2006, 10:52 AM Post #4
Smasher666 Posts: 996 Age: N/A Gender: Male Reputation: 27 pts	Tiamat in no way shape or form can be connected to Dagon. Here is one of thousands of sources which say Enki Oannes and Dagon are the same diety. http://www.geocities.com/dominorus/oannes_2.html Just Google ENki and Dagon to find more. Peace!

DarK	Dec 20 2006, 04:54 PM Post #5
Zelator Posts: 469 Age: N/A Gender: Female Reputation: 11 pts	QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Dec 20 2006, 08:52 AM) Tiamat in no way shape or form can be connected to Dagon. Here is one of thousands of sources which say Enki Oannes and Dagon are the same diety. http://www.geocities.com/dominorus/oannes_2.html Just Google ENki and Dagon to find more. Peace! Why does it say that Tiamat was slain by Marduk? Was Tiamat with the Old ones? It's just confusing.

DarkGoddess	Dec 20 2006, 08:13 PM Post #6
Neophyte Posts: 79 Age: N/A Gender: Female Reputation: 3 pts	QUOTE(DeathStalker @ Dec 20 2006, 05:54 PM) Why does it say that Tiamat was slain by Marduk? Was Tiamat with the Old ones? It's just confusing. Tiamat was not just one of the Ancient Ones, she was THE Ancient One, that even the other Ancient Ones tremble at. -------------------- To these I turn, in these I trust; Brother Lead and Sister Steel. To his blind power I make appeal; I guard her beauty clean from rust. He spins and burns and loves the air, And splits a skull to win my praise; But up the nobly marching days She glitters naked, cold and fair. Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this; That in good fury he may feel The body where he sets his heel Quail from your downward darting kiss.

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DeathStalker Tiamat... Dagon? Dec 20 2006, 02:44 AM

Suxur-Mash596 I always felt Dagon was Cthulu from Lovecraftian l... Dec 20 2006, 03:41 AM

DeathStalker I always felt Dagon was Cthulu from Lovecraftian l... Dec 20 2006, 04:16 AM

Edunpanna Tiamat in no way shape or form can be connected to... Dec 20 2006, 10:52 AM

DeathStalker Tiamat in no way shape or form can be connected to... Dec 20 2006, 04:54 PM

Ashnook Why does it say that Tiamat was slain by Marduk? W... Dec 20 2006, 06:34 PM

DarkGoddess Why does it say that Tiamat was slain by Marduk? W... Dec 20 2006, 08:13 PM

DeathStalker You're right. From what I've come to from... Dec 21 2006, 12:46 AM

DeathFetish Where did you read that Tiamat was slain by Enlil? Dec 21 2006, 02:00 AM

DeathStalker Where did you read that Tiamat was slain by Enlil?... Dec 21 2006, 02:43 AM

Ashnook Mesopatamian mythology Most sources cite Marduk, ... Dec 21 2006, 03:18 AM

Faustopheles Greetings, Yeah, it appears that Enlil was origin... Dec 21 2006, 03:38 AM

Ashnook :goodposting: Dec 21 2006, 04:24 AM

Enkidu The most ancient Sumerian myths say that man was c... Dec 21 2006, 06:02 AM

distillate Tiamat is described as a monster, and is consider... Dec 21 2006, 04:29 PM

DeathStalker Tiamat is described as a monster, and is consider... Dec 21 2006, 04:40 PM

distillate Evil has always been associated with chaos, whilst... Dec 21 2006, 04:47 PM

DeathStalker When talkiing about the ancient gods and the elder... Dec 21 2006, 04:59 PM

Edunpanna Gretings 'DeathStalker, I totally agree with... Dec 21 2006, 05:28 PM

Enkidu Gretings 'DeathStalker, I totally agree with... Dec 22 2006, 04:25 AM

DeathStalker To be entirely true to Scandinavian mythology,Odin... Dec 22 2006, 03:22 PM

Enkidu In my opinion Enlil is more suitable for Odin.Both... Dec 23 2006, 05:03 AM

Ashnook All of this Enlil posturing is going to make me si... Dec 23 2006, 10:45 AM

Enkidu You are right that Anu has dark side and does not ... Dec 23 2006, 12:02 PM

Edunpanna Enki is the father of Marduk. Odin is the father ... Dec 23 2006, 12:19 PM

DeathStalker Enki is the father of Marduk. Odin is the father ... Dec 30 2006, 04:32 AM

Edunpanna Greetings DeathStalker, Sounds like a good idea. ... Dec 30 2006, 04:46 AM

Eabatu One cant be all light and happy go lucky God of th... Dec 27 2006, 08:38 PM

gmcbroom I thought Odin received his knowledge by hanging f... Dec 27 2006, 11:13 PM

DeathStalker I thought Odin received his knowledge by hanging f... Dec 27 2006, 11:38 PM

Edunpanna Greetings GMC Broom, Odin left one of his eyes in... Dec 28 2006, 12:29 AM

OmNamaShivaya Greetings brothers and sisters... Odin gained his... Dec 28 2006, 04:39 AM

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