Tiamat... Dagon? Options Rating

I know this question may be some off, but is the Mesopatamian Goddess "Tiamat" the same as "Dagon" from the Necronomicon?

It is said that Tiamat was slain by Marduk, as I was doing research on Mesopatamian Mythology. From my understanding, Dagon was known as a female as well, if not, androgynous, but not fully a male Old one.

Is Tiamat really the same as Dagon?

Tiamat is described as a monster, and is considered the embodiment of chaos. Marduk, on the other hand, is destined to become the creator of the world, of order, and is charged with the task of vanquishing Tiamat. After driving the Evil Wind” into her body, he released the arrow, it tore her belly, cut through her insides, splitting the heart. Having thus subdued her, he extinguished her life /and/ cast down her carcass to stand upon it. Then the lord paused to view her dead body, that he might divide the monster and do artful works. He split her like a shellfish into two parts.Marduk then proceeded to create the world from pieces of her body.

I always seen marduk as the archetype in our collective unconsious that creates order from chaos.

Tiamat is described as a monster, and is considered the embodiment of chaos. Marduk, on the other hand, is destined to become the creator of the world, of order, and is charged with the task of vanquishing Tiamat. After driving the Evil Wind” into her body, he released the arrow, it tore her belly, cut through her insides, splitting the heart. Having thus subdued her, he extinguished her life /and/ cast down her carcass to stand upon it. Then the lord paused to view her dead body, that he might divide the monster and do artful works. He split her like a shellfish into two parts.Marduk then proceeded to create the world from pieces of her body.

I always seen marduk as the archetype in our collective unconsious that creates order from chaos.

Evil has always been associated with chaos, whilst good has been associated with order.

Those "gods" who were associated with Chaos were usually not looked upon as "the Gods" but as other kinds of monsters.

A good example of this is how Loki, Hel, and the other chaos "giants" of Ancient Norse Mythology are looked upon, as opposed to the Gods of Thor (Marduk) who slayed Loki, and Odin (Enlil) who is the father of all Gods.

I may have misinterpreted some of the names, but we are at accord with the meaning of chaos and order.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 21 2006, 05:41 PM

Evil has always been associated with chaos, whilst good has been associate with order.

Those "gods" who were associated with Chaos were usually not looked upon as "the Gods" but as other kinds of monsters.

A good example of this is how Loki, Hel, and the other chaos "giants" of Ancient Norse Mythology are looked upon, as opposed to the Gods of Thor (Marduk) who slayed Loki, and Odin (Enlil) who is the father of all Gods.

I may have misinterpreted some of the names, but we are at accord with the meaning of chaos and order.

When talkiing about the ancient gods and the elders simon says on pg 163 (of gates)

But which are the Monsters and which are the Gods?

This post has been edited by distillate: Dec 21 2006, 04:48 PM

When talkiing about the ancient gods and the elders simon says on pg 163 (of gates)

I was talking about ancient mythology in general, from Norse, to Greek, to Mesopatamian (Sumerian).

The "monsters" were ascribed as such because they were against the gods (who were associated with order).

I'm taking most of the information from Norse Mythology, and some things may be discrepant with the Necronomicon, but the the "Gods" and the "Good" are always those who are trying to keep intact the order of which exists.
whilst the monsters, associated with the "giants", were those who were inducing choas and dis-order.

Thor is an exception to the term "giant" as he was known moreso as a God and a defeater of the "evil Giant" Loki.

This post has been edited by DeathStalker: Dec 21 2006, 05:02 PM

Gretings 'DeathStalker,

I totally agree with Thor = Marduk. Odin however I would call Enki. Odin is the God of wisdom who gained his knowledge by drinking magick waters. Enki is the God of Magick and water.

Peace

Gretings 'DeathStalker,

I totally agree with Thor = Marduk. Odin however I would call Enki. Odin is the God of wisdom who gained his knowledge by drinking magick waters. Enki is the God of Magick and water.

Peace

To be entirely true to Scandinavian mythology,Odin is also pretty dark and is known for betrayal at the battlefield (case of Danish king Harald),very few Scandinavians ever named their children after Odin because of his dark aspects.He is a god of wisdom,magic and death.For me he is not similar to Enki.Too dark to be Enki.

To be entirely true to Scandinavian mythology,Odin is also pretty dark and is known for betrayal at the battlefield (case of Danish king Harald),very few Scandinavians ever named their children after Odin because of his dark aspects.He is a god of wisdom,magic and death.For me he is not similar to Enki.Too dark to be Enki.

That's true, Odin is very neutral, in terms of the light/dark conflict. I'm not sure about Enlil, but I thought he and Odin had the "father of all gods" concept in accord.