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post Dec 25 2006, 10:32 PM
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I was reading somewhere in a book of eastern traditions I have, and I came upon a meditation which is meant to enable access to other worlds.

The are two possible problems with this:

1. I have no idea how to go about doing this exercise as it is new to me.
2. I am not sure if the author has inscripted everything in detail.

I typed the meditation and found a picture of a spiral which I will add below.

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Visiting other worlds:

This procedure comes from an old Celtic tradition for getting to the otherworld.

Exercise:

Sit in a comfortable position and place a piece of paper in front of you with the picture of the double spiral on it. Devote your full attention to it for a few minutes, and then close your eyes and focus inwardly on the starting point in the center of the right-rotating spiral. Now, consciously transport yourself to this point and begin following the spiral to the right, step-by-step. After making some turns, you will reach a point at which the energy changes. On the energetic level, this point is customarily protected by two guards who will not let every traveler pass. If entrance is denied, you must turn back immediately.

If passage is granted, follow the left-rotating spiral into the center. The area surrounding the center point is at first clad in thick swathes of fog that only lighten after you reach the center point. There, a completely different world opens up. The term “otherworld” does not denote a specific place, but is rather a collective term for all reachable parallel dimensions that exist in our world in different times nad vibration levels. If you meet other beings in this place, approach them with respect. If orders or prohibitions are issued, follow them without exception.

In order to end the visit to the otherworld, return via the same route that took you there. Again start in the center of the left-rotating spiral and follow its windings out clockwise. At the turning point between the two spirals, turn left to enter the counter-clockwise spiral. When you reach the center and your consciousness is again in the here and now, you can conclude the meditation. Open your eyes and stretch in order to feel your body again.


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Has anyone had an experience with such a travel? Or does anyone understand the magick/method behind the double-spiral which enables travel?

The description was just a bit vague for my taste.

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Some more info from the ONA, dealing with spacial time.






Aristotle and the Acausal Cosmic Being



The importance of Aristotle is that he accepts Nature, and the cosmos itself, as things which can be understood, or apprehended, by our consciousness and the use of reason. Furthermore, for Aristotle, Nature is a wonderful, often beautiful, "striving-to-become" – it strives to become what is ‘immortal’. That is, it strives for more order. The pursuit of understanding by the use of reason can and often does fill us with awe and joy - it inspires us. and raises us, as mortals, to a higher level. This Aristotelian striving to know by the use of reason, this Aristotelian awe and joy, form the basis of science and in the fundamental sense it is these things which make us human and civilized.

In contrast to the life-enhancing ‘striving-to-become’ and the joyful enquiring of Aristotle, Plato, for example, views the world and nature as imperfect and often ugly. Aristotle looks upward, toward what is immortal, while Plato looks downward from an abstract and almost lifeless ‘perfection’.

Aristotle provides us with the essentials we need to begin to understand the cosmos, Nature and life itself. These essentials are: (i) that the cosmos exists independently of us and our consciousness; (ii) that our understanding of this ‘external world’ depends upon our senses - that is, on what we can see, hear or touch; (iii) that logical argument or reason, is the means to knowledge and understanding of and about this ‘external world’; (iv) that the cosmos is, of itself, a reasoned order subject to rational laws.

The importance of these essentials needs emphasizing, for they enable us to avoid the idle speculation, the confusion and the irrational assumptions and conclusions that mark the non-scientific attempts at ‘understanding’. For example, what is beyond our senses and our direct experience cannot form the basis of understanding, and is therefore irrelevant - for what is important to understanding is what is known, what is perceived by us. Using these Aristotelian essentials, we can soon appreciate some of the most important conclusions which Aristotle himself reached. These logical conclusions, based on the essentials we have accepted, form the basis of our own enquiry. They are:

(1) Since the cosmos is an order, a changing, which we because of our consciousness can understand, the change, or movement, of things in this cosmos does not have a beginning as it does not have an end. Therefore, any speculation about the ‘origin’ of this cosmos is idle and useless because the cosmos is eternal.

(2) This changing of the cosmos - the movement within it, its cycle of growth, decline and growth for example - is itself dependent on something. This is the timeless, or eternal, ‘prime mover’, or ‘First Cause’, which itself does not move, as measured by time. Time itself is the measure of movement - that is, time is implicit in, or is a part of, movement. Expressed another way, time is the measure of change.

(3) All life implies ‘ordinary’ matter plus an extra "something". Our own human life possesses more of this extra "something" than other life. Thus do we and we alone of all life that we know have ‘consciousness’, an awareness of our surroundings, and ‘the desire to know’.

If we use slightly different terminology, we can at once understand these things better. The cause of movement itself must be a-causal, that is, "beyond the causal". The ‘prime Mover’ - or the being of the cosmos itself, the ‘cosmic Being’ - is thus acausal. Movement, and thus change, are causal. It is the acausal which causes, or drives, the movement of the causal, of ordinary matter. Furthermore, we can say that it is this acausal which is the extra "something" which life possesses. That is, life is a contact, or intermingling, of matter with the cosmic Being itself, with the acausal.

The science of Physics describes the ordinary matter of the cosmos and its movement, or change. This description depends on ordinary or causal time. But this is an incomplete description of the cosmos because it considers such movement in isolation, in purely causal terms, whereas the cosmos, and the matter within it, is both causal and acausal. Furthermore, the changes which Physics describes are described by an earth-derived and earth-bound causal time based on our own planetary-sun cycle of change.

What needs to be understood is that this other aspect, the acausal, can be experienced and known - that is, it exists in the physical sense, can be discovered by us, and known. It is not ‘immaterial’ in the sense of being ‘spiritual’, and neither is it unknowable in the sense that a supreme god or omnipotent being is unknowable. The best way is to consider this acausal as another type of 'matter' or change, different from ordinary matter and ordinary, causal, change as measured and understood by causal, earth-derived, time. This acausal is most evidently manifest in living things - in we ourselves, and in the aspects or life-forms of Nature.

To make this acausal real for ourselves - to fully understand it - we have to somehow discover, describe or capture and express this acausal in some physical way. We must find some means of describing the changes of this ‘acausal matter’ in terms of ‘acausal time’. For this, the mathematical descriptions used by Physics to describe the changes of ordinary matter will not do because such descriptions describe such changes in terms of causal time, even when non-Euclidean geometry is used.

One way of capturing the acausal is to develop a truly organic technology - that is, to create living machines from organic material. Such an organic technology would be totally different from the current concern with "molecular electronics" and "nanotechnology" because these concerns still depend on manufactured, discrete and dead electronic components which themselves are based on descriptions of causal matter using causal time. Electronics, for example, is a means of describing the changes of a particular type of causal matter - electrons - over causal time, and enables components and circuits to be built to alter and control the flow of electrons. Thus, for example, using organic ‘molecules’ to store data is not a genuine organic technology, because: (i) such molecules are manufactured to do one or two specific, inert, tasks; (ii) such molecules are not basically alive as independent changing organisms - that is, not possessed of the acausal; and (iii) they would still be somehow connected to, and dependent upon, electronic components. A truly organic technology uses one type of acausal matter, living matter, and its changes, or growth, in a living way to produce an organic machine made entirely of organic matter, with no dead, discrete, manufactured components - electronic or otherwise. We ourselves would interact with, or control these organic machines in a living way, for example by using our "thoughts" (via "biofeedback" or something more sophisticated) or a living symbiotic relationship, such as the relationship of a hunting man with his well-trained hunting dog. In either case, the parameters of change, of control, of such organic machines would be natural or living ones determined by the acausal, or living, changes of that organic machine – rather than determined by causal, inert, matter such as an electronic, electrical or mechanical circuit. In the example of the hunting dog, the parameter of control is the relationship which exists between the dog and its master. Such a truly organic technology would enable us, for instance, to build or create an organic space-ship capable of traveling between the stars, with this ship being a living, existing, being, capable of living or existing in interstellar space, and having some kind of symbiotic relationship with its crew or its controller.

However, to create this technology it is necessary for us to understand the basics of acausal matter and acausal change, and to do this we need to develop a new Physics - and if necessary a new mathematics - to describe such things. Before even this can be done, we need to understand what acausal matter itself is, and how to describe its change, as acausal time - that is, we need to know exactly what both causal and acausal matter are, and what both causal and acausal movement or change mean.


Causal Matter and Causal Time:

The description of causal, or ordinary, matter and its movement or change involves the use of a frame of reference, or geometrical co-ordinate system, whether this be an absolute one, as posited by Newton, or a relative one, as posited by modern Physics. Space is defined by this frame of reference - for space, in the physical sense, is said to exist between two objects, or points, which are themselves described by fixed co-ordinates of a frame of reference. Space is simply ‘extension’. In this simple sense, causal time is the duration between the movement of an object, measured from some starting point in a frame of reference, to the measured end of that movement in the same frame of reference.

The notions of ‘force’ and ‘energy’ are used to describe changes which an object or objects can undergo, and such changes are dependent on the mass, velocity (or movement), rate of change of velocity and the distance of movement of the object or the other object(s) which affect or cause an object to so change. Force, and energy, are basically expressions of the changes of causal matter over causal time.

Modern physics assumes these things - force, space and time - exist, of themselves. That is, that space exists and that a particular force, for example the gravitational force due to a massive object, exists in the space around that massive object.

Whatever the reality of such concepts in actual, cosmic, terms, they have hitherto proved useful in describing the motion and behaviour of observed and observable physical matter, as they have provided a basic understanding of the known physical cosmos. So long as such concepts are based on what is known and observed, so long as they are rational, and so long as the observed reality confirms them and their logically deduced consequences, then they are valuable. They cease to be valuable when they are not based on what is known and observed, when they cease to be rational, or when there is no observed or known reality to confirm or contradict them and the speculations derived from them.

In the overall, cosmic sense, the Physics of causal matter, and the laws which form the basis of this Physics, should be considered to be a special, or limiting, case of the living or organic cosmos described by the laws and processes and concepts of acausal matter and acausal time. That is, the laws, process and concepts of acausal matter and acausal time should also describe, as a special case, the laws, processes and concepts of known physical matter. The new Physics of acausal matter and acausal time should reduce to the old Physics of ordinary matter when the conditions for such ordinary matter apply.


Acausal Matter and Acausal Time:

Acausal matter is ordinary matter plus an extra "acausal something" - rather like a charged particle is ordinary matter plus the extra "causal something" of charge. For the present, and for convenience, we shall call this extra "acausal something", acausal charge.

The basic properties of acausal matter are:

(1) An acausal object, or mass, can change without any external force acting upon it - that is, the change is implicit in that acausal matter. by virtue of its inherent acausal charge.

(2) The rate of change of an acausal object, or mass, is proportional to its acausal charge.

(3) The change of an acausal object can continue until all its acausal charge has been dissipated.

(4) Acausal charge is always conserved.

(5) An acausal object, or mass, is acted upon by all other acausal matter in the cosmos.

(6) Each acausal object in the physical cosmos attracts or repels every other acausal object in the physical cosmos with a magnitude which is proportional to the product of the acausal charges of those objects, and inversely proportional to the distance between them as measured in causal space.

Acausal time is implicit in acausal matter, because space, as such, does not exist for acausal matter - that is, such acausal matter cannot be described by a frame of reference in causal space. Separation, in the sense of physical space measured by moments of causal time or a duration of causal time, does not exist for acausal matter because such a separation implies causal time itself. Hence the principle that an acausal object or mass is acted upon by all other matter in the cosmos because all such matter can be considered to be ‘joined together’ - to be part of an indivisible whole. In the abstract and illustrative sense, we could say that all acausal matter exists in the physical world described by causal space and causal time as well as existing simultaneously in a different continuum described by acausal space and acausal time. with this ‘acausal space’ incapable of being described in terms of conventional physical space, either Euclidean or non-Euclidean. This ‘acausal space’ and this ‘acausal time’ are manifested by, and described by, acausal charge itself - that is, by the extra property which acausal matter possesses because it is acausal.

The properties of acausal matter, enumerated above, form the basis for the new Physics which describes acausal matter and its changes, and it is no coincidence that many of them express, for acausal charge, what the ordinary Physics expresses for ordinary matter and electric charge, since the acausal charge is what makes any matter which possesses it alive or organic - a living, changing, organism. When this acausal charge leaves or is dissipated away from an acausal object, then that object becomes ordinary physical matter, obeying the laws of ordinary Physics. Such matter is then ‘inert’ or ‘dead’.

Furthermore, these basic properties of acausal matter enable us to really begin to understand, for the first time, the real nature of the cosmos, as they can show us the way toward developing a truly organic technology and an organic medicine capable of replacing the rather lifeless, primitive and often damaging medicine of the present which relies on traumatic surgery and drugs.


Life and the Acausal Charge

Life implies the following seven attributes - a living organism respires; it moves; it grows or changes; it excretes waste; it is sensitive to, or aware of, its environment; it can reproduce itself, and it can nourish itself.

The acausal charge or charges which a living organism possesses is what causes or provokes the physical and chemical changes in an object so that it exhibits the above attributes. For instance, a living cell could not be made from its molecular constituent parts and then be expected to suddenly become ‘alive’. The process of life occurs only when acausal charges are present in addition to the ordinary matter (of elements, molecules and so on) which make up the substance of an organism.

An organism - something which is alive - obeys the ordinary laws of physics (with one known exception) but is also subject to the laws which govern acausal matter. Ordinary matter, or a dead once living organism, does not obey the laws which govern such acausal matter. The one known exception is the second law of thermodynamics - a living organism represents an increase in order: a re-structuring of physical matter in a more ordered way. This change toward more order may be said to be 'powered' or caused by the acausal energy of acausal charges. The causal energy changes in organisms, which can be described by ordinary chemical reactions between elements and molecules - that is, in terms of chemical energy – are produced or caused by acausal charges. In effect, such chemical reactions are one of the physical manifestations of acausal charges in the causal continuum. Being ‘alive’ means ordinary physical matter is re-organized, or changed, in a more ordered way. A living organism possesses the capacity, by virtue of its acausal charges, to create order, to synthesize order from the less ordered physical world. Life implies an increase in order in the causal continuum.


Detecting Acausal Charges

The acausal charges which organism possess by virtue of being organisms should be capable of being physically detected. That is, they should be capable of being observed, by us, and should be capable of being measured quantitatively using some measuring device devised for such a purpose. Following such detection and measurement, observations of the behaviour of such acausal charges could be made. Such observations would then form the basis for theories describing the nature and the laws of such charges. The result would then be the construction of organic machines and equipment, following the invention of basic "machines" to generate, or produce, moving acausal charges.

A useful comparison to aid the understanding of such a process of discovery, measurement and theory, exists in the history of electricity. Static electricity was known for many centuries, but not understood until the concept of positive and negative charges was postulated. Later, instruments such as the gold-leaf electroscope were invented for detecting and measuring such charges. Other instruments, such as frictional machines and the Leyden jar, were invented for producing and accumulating, or storing, electric charges, and producing small ‘galvanic currents’ or electricity. Then the great experimental scientist Faraday showed that ‘galvanic currents’, magnetism and static charges were all related, and produced what we now call an electro-magnetic generator to produce electricity. From such simple experimental beginnings, our world has been transformed by machines and equipment using electricity, and by the electronics which has developed from electricity.

It is obvious that acausal charges cannot be detected by equipment based on electricity - for example connecting a living organism (such as a plant) to some equipment designed to detect or measure electrical charge, either static or moving, or electrical resistance or whatever Some changes in, for example electrical resistance, may be measured when such an organism is connected to equipment designed to measure electrical resistance, and when that organism undergoes some sort of change, but it is some physical physiological or chemical change which is being observed not the acausal change caused by acausal charge. To detect acausal charge and thus some acausal change something acausal has to be used. This means that to detect acausal charge Something alive - some organism or organisms - has to be used, and the change in that detecting organism somehow observed on the physical level, Perhaps after that detecting organism has undergone some physical or chemical change as a result of ‘detecting’ an acausal charge or charges.

Thus, to establish the new "organic science" - and to develop the fundamental laws of the Physics of this new science - practical experiments need to be conducted and observations made. It is such practical experiments - at first to detect and measure the basic acausal charge - which are the next step forward.

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QUOTE(DeathStalker @ Dec 28 2006, 03:23 AM) *
Some more info from the ONA, dealing with spacial time.
Aristotle and the Acausal Cosmic Being
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Aristotle provides us with the essentials we need to begin to understand the cosmos, Nature and life itself. These essentials are: (i) that the cosmos exists independently of us and our consciousness; (ii) that our understanding of this ‘external world’ depends upon our senses - that is, on what we can see, hear or touch; (iii) that logical argument or reason, is the means to knowledge and understanding of and about this ‘external world’; (iv) that the cosmos is, of itself, a reasoned order subject to rational laws.

The importance of these essentials needs emphasizing, for they enable us to avoid the idle speculation, the confusion and the irrational assumptions and conclusions that mark the non-scientific attempts at ‘understanding’.


Greetings Death Stalker,

I have a question that I am curious about, What, or Who is the ONA?

I ask this because I find some fundamental differences of opinion for the above quoted section that I have marked.

Firstly, I believe it is a fundamental error to believe that the Cosmos is not conscious, and that we are not as smaller units or aspects of a consciousness within a greater Cosmic Consiousness, and that we have not the innate sense of Intellectual Intuition or a "Knowing" of "Knowing".

Secondly, to try and explain in logical verbatum or ideology the reason why a typhoon may wipe out woman, children and men, animals and all living things in its path as a logical step to evolution, just escapes my thought process. This example however graphic is an example that not every Action, Thought, or Reaction can Logically be estimated regardless of the level of knowledge of the subject. In Ancient times these disasters would have been described as the anger of the Gods against mankind for some transgression, in Modern times as Erratic Weather Patterns that have built up through global warming. Both at the time of their knowledge seem to be logical explanations for the people going through these disasters, yet, that still dosn't answer the question of "Why did this disaster happen?"

Thirdly, athough I believe that the Cosmos is a living Conscious Cosmic mind, I would not try to say I comprehend the order of all Cosmic or even Earthly events, so the rationality this material speaks of as a reasoning Cosmos, it may be just as is. Is their rationality behind a race of individuals being risen such as human, to try to dominate all the external physical things they may come into contact with. Is it rational that this race is always disagreeing about the very origin of their species, the very nature of their spiritual or non-spiritual beliefs, that they differ to such degrees that in their rational mind, created by a rational Cosmos, they would seek to eradicate through violence any that would be different, or disagree with their ideologies.

This would (in my honest opinion) seem like the most irrational created form their was within the Cosmos, so would that make the Creative Cosmos which supplied the necessary elements for the coming about of the Origin of Life, and the Evolutionary Conscious attainment of rationality to these creatures, or race of man would the Cosmos then be responsible for the actions of 'said race.' However if their are multitudes of a variety of levels of rationality and reasoning, of consciousness and perception, and that this infinite variety of possible levels may only be but as a small thought in the Universal Mind. This would explain that their may be Conscious and Unconscious Levels beyond our comprehension that we have not perceived, or are incapable of perceiving at this time.

Science can not even convince the Modern Man of their specific Origins, let alone try to explain the nature of the Cosmic Universe. I say Understanding comes through Skepticism. This does not mean doubt, but, the nature of questioning and thoroughly investigating every avenue possible before believing in a particular idea as truth. Skepticism is to me one of the most rational tools we have at our disposal, yet, it is often one of the least used tools as well.

Respectfully,
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QUOTE(Joseph @ Dec 28 2006, 05:06 PM) *
Greetings Death Stalker,

I have a question that I am curious about, What, or Who is the ONA?

I ask this because I find some fundamental differences of opinion for the above quoted section that I have marked.

Firstly, I believe it is a fundamental error to believe that the Cosmos is not conscious, and that we are not as smaller units or aspects of a consciousness within a greater Cosmic Consiousness, and that we have not the innate sense of Intellectual Intuition or a "Knowing" of "Knowing".

Secondly, to try and explain in logical verbatum or ideology the reason why a typhoon may wipe out woman, children and men, animals and all living things in its path as a logical step to evolution, just escapes my thought process. This example however graphic is an example that not every Action, Thought, or Reaction can Logically be estimated regardless of the level of knowledge of the subject. In Ancient times these disasters would have been described as the anger of the Gods against mankind for some transgression, in Modern times as Erratic Weather Patterns that have built up through global warming. Both at the time of their knowledge seem to be logical explanations for the people going through these disasters, yet, that still dosn't answer the question of "Why did this disaster happen?"

Thirdly, athough I believe that the cosmos is a living conscious cosmic mind, I would not try to say I comprehend the order of all Cosmic or even earthly events, so the rationality this material speaks of as a reasoning Cosmos, it may be just as is. Is their rationality behind a race of individuals being risen such as human, to try to dominate all the external physical things they may come into contact with. Is it rational that this race is always disagreeing about the very origin of their species, the very nature of their spiritual or non-spiritual beliefs, that they differ to such degrees that in their rational mind, created by a rational Cosmos, they would seek to eradicate through violence any that would be different, or disagree with their ideologies.

This would (in my honest opinion) seem like the most irrational created form their was within the Cosmos, so would that make the creative Cosmos which supplied the necessary elements for the coming about of the origin of life, and the evolutionary conscious attainment of rationality to these creatures, or race of man be responsible for the actions of 'said race.' However if their are a multitudes of a variety of levels of rationality and reasoning, of consciousness and perception, and that this infinite variety of possible levels may only be but as a small thought in the Universal Mind. This would explain that their may be Conscious and Unconscious Levels beyond our comprehension that we have not perceived, or are incapable of perceiving at this time.

Science can not even convince the Modern Man of their specific Origins, let alone try to explain the nature of the Cosmic Universe. I say Understanding comes through Skepticism. This does not mean doubt, but, the nature of questioning and thoroughly investigating every avenue possible before believing in a particular idea as truth. Skepticism is to me one of the most rational tools we have at our disposal, yet, it is often one of the least used tools as well.

Respectfully,
Helel (Joseph)


Well the ONA (Order of Nine Angles) is a Left Hand Path Satanic organization which believes the cosmos to be just that. They believe mankind to essentually open star-gates to the Acausal for "godly" results... don't ask... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/face08.gif)

They seemed to emphasize a lot on the Causal - Acausal so I decided to throw some of their info out there, see what others think.

They certainly have seemed to twist things around, but there is some core logic which beguiles the reader in the beginning.

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QUOTE(DeathStalker @ Dec 29 2006, 01:20 AM) *
Well the ONA (Order of Nine Angles) is a Left Hand Path Satanic organization which believes the cosmos to be just that. They believe mankind to essentually open star-gates to the Acausal for "godly" results... don't ask... (IMG:style_emoticons/default/face08.gif)

They seemed to emphasize a lot on the Causal - Acausal so I decided to throw some of their info out there, see what others think.

They certainly have seemed to twist things around, but there is some core logic which beguiles the reader in the beginning.


Greetings Death Stalker,

I agree with your conclusion that they intermix just enough of sensible or theoretically possible ideas with a twist of their own ideology for whatever purpose they aim to disseminate their teachings.

I will say some of it sounded very plausible, then as soon as it seemed I started to agree with a few things, the information would then take a very different direction altogether.

I thank you for posting the information though, it's just I have a slightly different perspective then they were going with their teachings. I will store what was useful in my mental filing cabinet though, and at least know another perspective of Causal and Acausal belief structure.

Thanks for sharing.

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