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I know you worded it nice, and forgive me for jumping the gun and being oversensitive here, but come on. She's heard it enough. I mean seriously. A good friend of mine was beaten nearly to death for being gay. Yeah, gay. He was holding his girlfriend's purse! And for that he was in a coma for a week and a half.
This is not a bash against transexuals or trangenders(ed?). I'm sorry for your friend but gays have nothing to do with the topic.
Jenny came onto this forum asking for answers to reach a specific goal through magickal means.
In this case she asked for a magickal approach to permanenlty switch genders. In order for me, as an occultist, to make a rational and ethical answer for her I must analyze her. If I am to help her in any capacity I need to understand if she is seriously convienced or just confussed. I would not want to contribute to a person's delusions or self destruction.
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Acid09: You were analytical, thoughtful, and I respect that. However, I don't think that analyzing something that she's already thinking about or thought over, and I can guarantee she has, is going to help. She's seeking an outlet to illicit change in herself, and that's not wrong by any stretch of the imagination. And some of us, imagine that, just plain don't WANT kids. Bad enough to listen to kids screaming than to actually have one. It's basically a bad dog for the first three, four years of life. Puking and defecating everywhere. Nasty.
She's legally and biologically a 16 year old male. If I were her I'd at least try to consider all possibilities including that she is still very young and should take the time to enjoy what she has now rather than permanently alter herself and possibly regret it later.
Mystic might come across as harsh but I think Jenny should consider what he is saying *AND NOT TAKE IT PERSONALLY!! WE"RE STILL ONLY ON AN ONLINE FORUM.
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Mystick: Please, man please. Refrain from calling transgenderism a mental disorder. That's like saying that all left handed people are psychopaths and pedophiles.
In my latest psych class we had a section on "disorders" related transvestism and transexuallity. There are two schools of thought - one views it as a disorder, a kind of psycho-biological annomily and the other views it as a mental illness. One can live a productive life with a disorder. If they have a mental illness the odds they will have productive, "normal" lives are very low. Some states require that people with mental illness get the treatment neccessary to "correct" the ailment.
Please keep in mind a disorder is not the same as a mental illness. We all have disorders of one kind or another. What they do is serve to satsify some personal need. Disorders can lead to a mental illness and mental illness can be caused by a disorder. Thus a person with a disorder needs to fullfill their desire (in a healthy way) to be healthy because repressing it or expressing it in bad ways can lead to mental illness. Of course there are some disorders that should be treated like an illness- manic depression, panic attacks, OCD, ADD etc. However one should be very careful about judging if another has a disorder, an illness or maybe they're just confused. What I am trying to do is identify which jenny is so that I may give the best answer I can to her original question.
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Why do you think you'd be happier if you were a girl instead of a guy?
Deathstalker are you Jenny? Its cool that you're standing up for your beliefs but I'd appritiate that you let her answer the questions for herself. I don't want you to put words into her mouth. Let her answer my questions. My goal is remain ever my self and take a critically analytical and psychological point of view of the topic. Again this is not a bash of any kind. And I know she already knows the answers but I want to hear what she has to say so I can determine an appropriate response.
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Transexualism, or a better word: " Transgenderism ", is inherently not a personality.
Semantics. Jenny used transexual herself. Who cares if she uses one over the other so long as we understand the nature of the topic?
Jenny is a 16 year old boy who believes she should actually be a girl.
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No offense meant, but Darkstalker has posted very pertinent information to the topic. I hardly think that a simple copy paste endeavor. Sometimes finding the information, posting it, and getting it out there is easier, plus it helps us form more of an informed opinion... After all, sometimes people know more than us, eh? Doctors do, for sure. See the above post on Transgenderism for more information on that point.
Deathstalker is arguing in defense of Jenny. He is defending his beliefs about this topic, which is admriable - but not on topic.
Deathstalker -please try to stay on topic or create your own in fight club.
The topic is:
John, aka Jenny, is a 16 year old girl who has a male body. She is seeking advice and information on how to become a girl.
So rather than debate transexuallity or transgenderism lets give Jenny some real advice.
Mine, thus far, is that Jenny is still very young and has lots of time for her body to develope (the human body and mind doesn't stop developing until about the age of 25, so 9 years) and because of her age I think she should seek ways to find satisfaction as a male now and then alter her body later if she is still unhappy.
Jenny, you're still young and you can always undergo the treatment to change your gender when you are older. You can't change back though. So I hope that you will continue to explore the side of life being male now. If later in life you're still not happy you'll at least reduce the risk of regreting any permanent changes. The reason I reffered to a sex change as a possible prison of sorts is because you can't reverse it. As a male you have the choice (when you're older at least) to become female. You can't go back once you've done it though. And its a major choice to make.
This post has been edited by Acid09: Jan 3 2007, 07:36 PM
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