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Faustopheles
post Nov 28 2006, 02:03 PM
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Hey everyone,

Has anyone noticed that there is something that is not quite right about the LBRP? That is that the God names do not correspond to their quarters given the elemental nature of each quarter. Let me explain…

Traditional associations:

East :: YHVH :: Raphael :: Air
South :: ADNI :: Michael :: Fire
West :: AHIH :: Gabriel :: Water
North :: AGLA :: Auriel :: Earth

The archangels, elements, and cardinal points all coincide with their kabbalistic correspondences; however, the God names do not. AHIH (eheieh) is the God name of the Sephirah Keter, the Sefer Yetzirah tells us that Keter corresponds to breath…right? In which case, should not AHIH correspond to air (i.e breath) in the eastern sphere? AGLA is short for “Ateh Gibor Le-olam Adonai” (thou are forever my lord), some kabbalists associate this with the sphere of Geburah through the root Gibor. Geburah is the sphere of fire. ADNI refers to “Adonai he-Aretz”, the God name of Malkuth, and thus is perhaps best associated with earth. Leaving us with YHVH; however, the tetragramaton encompasses all four elements, so theoretically it can be vibrated in any direction. What we get is the following correspondences:

East :: AHIH :: Raphael :: Air
South :: AGLA :: Michael :: Fire
West :: YHVH?? :: Gabriel :: Water
North :: ADNI :: Auriel :: Earth

I have experimented with this and for me it seems to result in a much more cohesive unification between the microcosm and macrocosm. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has experimented with the LBRP in such a manner and their results. Also, if anyone has a suggestion for a god name that can be properly linked to water to replace YHVH in the west, please let me know. I hope this post can spark some discussions regarding our individual interpretations of this basic but ever so important practice.

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post Jan 6 2007, 06:25 PM
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yeah that is true but what If you want to do the LBRP and LBRH in order to banish any elemental and planetary infuences from your area in order to evoke a perticular element or planetary power. I think that even If your changing the names and pentegrams your still vibrating the names of god. and aligning yourself with the kabbala. I think it might be better this way and the ritual was made from the golden dawn to be used as a grade process and it had a stucture to teach in small pieces. but we have no need for this and want an effective system of banishing that has the most benifit to the magician.
Ive been doing it the old way for so long its become a habbit and its hard to relearn the whole thing.
But do you think its really a good idea to change it for the purpose of evocation and the LBRH seems to have all the hexegrams in different order and to bansh planitary so using it together the LBRP should banish elementals too shouldnt it?.

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Faustopheles   Lbrp : God Names And The Elements   Nov 28 2006, 02:03 PM
Nero   Your confusion stems from the fact that The Lesser...   Nov 28 2006, 02:27 PM
Faustopheles   Why then are there different pentagrams for eac...   Nov 28 2006, 03:04 PM
Nero   Why then are there different pentagrams for each ...   Nov 28 2006, 03:20 PM
Nero   I am not trying to bust your chops although my pre...   Nov 28 2006, 03:59 PM
Faustopheles   No, on the contrary, I appreciate your responses....   Nov 28 2006, 04:29 PM
Joseph   Greetings Faustopheles, It may be considered t...   Nov 28 2006, 08:54 PM
Nero   The uses you outline Joseph combined with the corr...   Nov 29 2006, 09:03 AM
Azrael   This is interesting I was going to post something ...   Jan 7 2007, 11:56 AM
Darkmage   I've found that the LBRP and LBRH tend to bani...   Jan 7 2007, 01:40 PM
Faustopheles   I'm returning to this topic after quite a whil...   Feb 7 2007, 03:25 AM
Nero   As Nero stated earlier in this thread, the element...   Feb 7 2007, 08:09 AM
Faustopheles   hmm, I always saw the Greater Hexagram Ritual as m...   Feb 7 2007, 01:50 PM
Nero   hmm, I always saw the Greater Hexagram Ritual as m...   Feb 7 2007, 02:29 PM
Faustopheles   This is where the confusion of the elemental assoc...   Feb 7 2007, 03:33 PM
Dark Knight   Then why is it in the Sun Adorations its; Ra = Ea...   Feb 12 2007, 07:57 AM
Faustopheles   Then why is it in the Sun Adorations its; Ra = Ea...   Feb 14 2007, 10:12 PM
Dark Knight   I don't quite see how Hathor fits into the LBR...   Feb 15 2007, 05:36 AM

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