Gnosis Exercise, can't jizz in public Options

I'm looking for ways to make the gnosis more easier for the armchair magicians.

No stand-up swirling , spinning ,masturbation...something that can be done while seated.

Meditation seems like a good idea,but gnosis to me seems closer to the dhyana/jhana stages of eastern mystics which apparantly takes years to attain.
(Someone please prove me wrong here!)- so i've lost interest in that too.

Sneezing is good .(As long as we dont get to the stage where pepper does nothing for us)

I liked Sherwin's (?) body spasm technique -by twitching all parts of the body one- by -one(has anybody tried this?)

Are there any other techniques similar to this?

Anybody got an Inhibitory gnosis handbook (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

If i had to categorize it and say one thing has helped more than another. It would have to be the contact with my higher self,holy ghost,demon,gaurdian angel ,etc... It is a very superior way to either gain knowledge or to re cover what you have learned form a differant angle.

This post has been edited by Enochian: Jan 8 2007, 03:07 PM

If i had to categorize it and say one thing has helped more than another. It would have to be the contact with my higher self,holy ghost,demon,gaurdian angel ,etc... It is a very superior way to either gain knowledge or to re cover what you have learned form a differant angle.

Well, superior for you.

I probably wouldn't have pointed it out, but as it happens I took an interest in gnostics after you mentioned one forum, and claimed that they were mostly pretty haughty and self-absorbed - in essence, I mean who else acts like that? - so I went looking around, to a different forum at (can I show this?) www.gnosticteachings.org - and browsed through a few threads, and then found a pdf link to a book called the Perfect Matrimony. Now, this book is not apparently strictly gnosticism in the fact that they are not orthodox, i.e. more or less original gnostics, but rather a sort of revival. This gentleman, Samael Aun Weor, treks all over the earth studying mystical religions and digging through books, initiated by masters, eventually encounters his inner divine being, etc. He synthesizes all of these experiences into one philosophy, uncovering the 'truth' that sexual alchemy is at the root of all religion. He writes sixty some odd books on gnostic philosophy, and this particular book is the unveiling of never before published secrets of sexual magick, tantric alchemy of the white lodge, or something like that.

Now, Hopefully people would agree here that I'm a reasonable poster, I don't get personally involved too much in what i'm debating, and I do love to debate, I try to be logical and express myself clearly. Well, I had some questions about the relationship between homosexuality and gnosis. Now, they believe that only through sexual alchemy can an individual attain spiritual awakening, ultimately for the purpose of creating a spiritual body of sorts, which will be consistently aware, even when the body is asleep or, ultimately, dead. Sounds familiar enough.

Well failure to achieve this is reincarnation, or possibly hell, depending on wether you just float through life, attain spiritual awakening, or practice some form of transmutation which does the opposite of what it's supposed to do, in which case you're like, aware but in hell... I kind of lost track of it at that point, honestly, I started getting responses to the thread that I introduced there, sharing my own experience with energetic polarity and the yin/yang, masculine/feminine, duality. They believe that homosexuals, along with anyone who damages their sexual organs, has orgasms and/or ejaculates, cannot find or even effectively seek spiritual awakening, that sexual alchemy is the only way to attain true gnosis among other things. This may be a problem for those of you (and me) who have been achieving the gnostic state through other means - apparently it's all a lie. And while you should never orgasm, you also can only achieve transmutation by having sex with a woman, exclusively, and regularly, but never to climax. If you're a bachelor, pranayama will get you part of the way there, but only so far. Too bad for the poor ugly guy in the corner, he'll be back around next time.

After being judged and chastised for being gay, and a lengthy introduction to some of Aun Weor's quotes - these Gnostics, by the way, believe strictly in experiential knowledge, like Thelema, don't believe anything intellectually, put your money on gnosis exclusively; which is why they stand behind the teachings of their Master Samael (aun Weor.) - without getting even one logical explanation of any personal experiential knowledge regarding homosexuality and sexual alchemy, except that it was an unforgivable kind of sin, and that only the 'black lodge' practice homosexuality (like the darkside, black lodge, white lodge, see?) - they deleted the thread. No explanation, not warning, no talk of that it might happen, not even locking the topic. Bam I went to check and it's gone.

Of course they don't stand for all gnostics, but over the course of this little exchange I began to understand a little more the nature of individual spiritual paths. We're all structured a particular way for the purpose of carrying out whatever will we brought with us into the material world. We have to have certain physical characteristics, certain personality quirks, a certain kind of relationship between intellect and intuition, so that we will be more likely to discover and fulfill that will. That will may be a worldly purpose or a spiritual purpose. Not everyone feels a call to a spiritual destiny. What determines what we are doing, and why we are here? The nature of our spirit.

And not everyone's spirit is here for the same purpose. We are the body of God, our spirits extensions of his will, some with a different structure, purpose, and origin than others. What works for one person or even a large group of people, will not work for everyone for this purpose. Their manifest structure, mind, body, and spirit, requires a particular kind of path in order to accomplish it's will, a path that will be in line with that will, and more importantly is compatible with the manifest structure of the individual. These things sort of drifted together while I was reading, and they are observations I have made before during meditation on the subject of the 'best path' or the 'correct path'. Discrete insights which formed this larger realization. what I perceived was a little more complex than this, having to do with 'altitudes' I would call them, of dimensional density, from which individual consciousness is expressed into manifestation. The different densities were each composed a different sort of harmonic, which would interact with the other densities in different ways when manifested, and what results is a complex sort of swirly energetic pattern sort of like rain drops on a pond, more like the pond was just vibrating on it's own from a million different vortices on it's surface. savvy? Each individual path on the microcosm is an aspect of the greater path of God itself in the Macrocosm, each one essential and valid for that reason.

I've been in contact with my higher self. It's a distinctly different sensation than other more effective methods I have experienced of connecting to heightened awareness and 'gnosis'. I know it has to do with the way I think. I don't personify natural forces, i'm capable of acknowledging completely inhuman consciousness, even though i can't synthesize it beyond the awareness of it's truth. To me those two experiences are not the same, although many people interpret communion with their higher self in this more pure-awareness gnostic sense. I know people who literally have a conversation with their inner/higher/etc. The same goes for evocation.

If the spiritual work had to be approached from the same direction by every individual, if there was only one way, then we'd be on it instinctively - it would be the will that we brought with us into manifestation and we would all recognize it for what it was. As it stands, it is rather our nature to evolve in individual ways, even if that is individual cultures, or group minds, rather than just an individual.

I'm not sure exactly why I felt the need to post all this, but as I started to read this book, the perfect matrimony, I was really inspired and taken in by this philosophy on the sacredness of love and sex and all that, and it was incredibly disappointing to see it fostered and promoted by people who are so narrow and limited in their understanding - their as literal as the christians, just including a few extra books.

All that to say, there is no superior way to gain such higher knowledges. It depends on the individual. While it could be argued that we experience the same phenomenon in different ways rather than there being several different methods and experience categories, it sort of renders the point of labeling them in the first place pointless.

Which, actually, it sort of is.

peace

This post has been edited by Vagrant Dreamer: Jan 9 2007, 01:35 AM