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post Dec 6 2006, 02:20 AM
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As you can tell from the topic title, all this stuff interests me and I'd like to be able to perform some of it, but everything about the Golden Dawn, Hermeticism, and Ceremonial Magick in general tends to freak me out. I'm a Roman Catholic and I'm obscenely worried about my spiritual self getting into some trouble by doing this stuff. Are there any 'Judeo-Christian' roots to these rituals? I mean it doesn't take a lot to notice the archangels and God's names in the rituals, but seeing videos of people using sinister voices and generally acting like they want to be Lucifer's best friend during said rituals is a little worrisome.

If anyone has any advice for me I'd really appreciate it. I want to be closer with my HGA and thereby God by doing a little magick everyday, I desperately want Him to work through me, but what if unwittingly I allow myself to be worked by an entity with less than amiable goals? Etc., etc.

Thanks in advance..

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QUOTE(Lucian @ Jan 11 2007, 04:53 AM) *
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I dare to disagree with you waldoworld. The key of those texts lies in their translation, and as the very superstitious church and fundamentalist christians do not want to allow any magick at all, because they do not understant it, they translate things like "Deciever" and "Poisoner" in the original as Sorcerer and Witch in the translated edition. While true that there is much in the Bible to be said about Divination, it is speaking directly at Necromancy (or using the spirits of the dead to divine the past, present, and future) as that was the most prevelant type of divination at the time of the writings. And, it is obvious why the Bible would forbid such acts as disturbing the spirits of the dead at all, it is very disgraceful and hinders the conjured soul at it's very core. This is also what the Bible calls Sorcery (or ledgermain as many of these "Sorcerers" demonstrated tricks to fool the peoples into believing they had attained Spiritual Gifts). When you look at the Bible, you see many instances of Magick, in none other than Jesus Christ Himself, such as He spit into dirt and made a healing salve that gave the blind man sight, and purifying the well with blessed salt (let's not even get started on His breaking bread with His Disciples). And my final contestation to your very strong posisition is the fact that Western Ceremonial Magick is entirely based upon the Kabbalah, a tool of the Rabbis, who knew the Torah in and out, and were Priests first and foremost, not Magicians, and took to this system emphatically. When it comes down to it, High Magick is in perfect accord with the scriptures. It is not a "Christian" thing to deny what the Church can't control, that's a Church thing. One thing that is a constant in my Magick, is my aim for Grace from God, Communion with Christ, Through the Holy Spirit, without whom, I could do nothing.

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I totally agree with you here Lucian and I will say that you've presented a very elegant argument. What it is, is this, if you read the bible literally, with only one interpretaiton then indeed magick is off limits, along with pretty much half the pleasures of the world.

To answer the question of the post, let me just say that the LBRP, the BRH, the RCR and most Golden Dawn ceremonial type ritual is perfectly suited to christians to practice. It's just another form of prayer, indeed a form that has some power. Also, you'll find the use of many different voices just another way of accepting the many aspects that God represents, after all in the old testament God killed, and killed and killed.


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JackConnor   Roman Catholic Worried...   Dec 6 2006, 02:20 AM
Radiant Star   I think maybe just go with what you truly, deeply ...   Dec 6 2006, 03:07 AM
JackConnor   I think maybe just go with what you truly, deeply ...   Dec 6 2006, 04:52 PM
Radiant Star   IT's not that I'd have to throw the baby o...   Dec 7 2006, 04:26 AM
The Sorceress   the mass is virtually a magickal ritual, but what ...   Apr 28 2007, 02:34 PM
Enochian   Hmmm maybe i can help. Im no mage but i am a pract...   Dec 6 2006, 06:07 PM
Acid09   I think a certain degree of introspection is in or...   Dec 6 2006, 06:59 PM
JackConnor   Hmmm maybe i can help. Im no mage but i am a pract...   Dec 6 2006, 09:33 PM
gmcbroom   I might be wrong but doesn't santeria and Vood...   Dec 6 2006, 09:12 PM
DeathStalker   Hey man my best suggestion to you would be to stud...   Dec 6 2006, 11:42 PM
Frater Yechidah   Satanists don't use the LBRP, to my knowledge,...   Dec 7 2006, 07:13 AM
Nero   I am catholic as well and I practice ceremonial ma...   Dec 7 2006, 08:33 AM
Pilgrim Child   Both Paul Foster Case and W.E.Butler served as pri...   Dec 7 2006, 01:19 PM
JackConnor   Wow, suffice it to say there's a lot of stuff ...   Dec 7 2006, 03:07 PM
Enochian   This thread has progressed nicely. I like the ide...   Dec 12 2006, 01:45 PM
waldoworld   I see this question over and over again and I gu...   Jan 10 2007, 07:55 PM
Lucian   Ave I dare to disagree with you waldoworld. The k...   Jan 11 2007, 03:53 AM
business voodoo   hi ... most of what everyone practices is ritual b...   Jan 15 2007, 02:04 AM
Enochian   Hmmm i agree with most right up until the end here...   Jan 15 2007, 10:46 AM
business voodoo   enochian ... i totally feel you as that is exactly...   Jan 15 2007, 02:52 PM
Enochian   Thanks Business. This topic came up for me prior t...   Jan 15 2007, 03:54 PM
Lucian   Ave Enochian, I will edit this later, but one thi...   Jan 16 2007, 12:30 AM
Enochian   LOL yes i know the two are not the same. The simon...   Jan 16 2007, 10:58 AM
plainsight   God and Lucifer don't exactly play on the same...   Jan 17 2007, 12:29 PM
Enochian   Thats all good. But i think his point is if he can...   Jan 17 2007, 02:12 PM
esoterica   been there, done that - just keep your mouth shut ...   Jan 17 2007, 04:38 PM
Eyes of God   John, I have felt exactly the way that you have. ...   Jan 19 2007, 12:42 AM
BrotherM   believe it or not, I was a Catholic as well. I wen...   Jan 25 2007, 08:35 AM
dynajam   If anyone has any advice for me I'd really app...   Jan 25 2007, 03:20 PM
Sero Sed Serio   Hi I am new to this forum, having just joined tod...   Feb 8 2007, 04:47 PM
Lucian   Ave The famous magickal son of Crowley, Frater Ac...   Feb 8 2007, 06:59 PM
Khenti_Amenti   Ave The famous magickal son of Crowley, Frater Ac...   Apr 28 2007, 10:11 AM
redbreast   Jack, you've been given some great advice and ...   Apr 25 2007, 07:28 PM
extinctionspasm   This existence is vast. There is so much to all of...   May 11 2007, 10:41 AM
tyrian   To want desperately for God to work through you is...   Jun 10 2007, 08:30 PM
Frater526   93! Wuuuuhhhh. That is an argument I often ...   Jun 23 2007, 12:22 PM
Kranos   As you can tell from the topic title, all this stu...   Jun 23 2007, 06:32 PM
JackConnor   I mean wow. I just came back to this site, (there...   Jul 17 2007, 07:27 PM

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