Uses Of Enochian Magic Options

Hey, before I delve too deeply into the topic, what are the uses of Enochian Magick, and what is the purpose of skrying the Aethyrs? What is it like?

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Hey, before I delve too deeply into the topic, what are the uses of Enochian Magick, and what is the purpose of skrying the Aethyrs? What is it like?

This is definitely not my field of expertise, but a brief glance at Geoffrey James' book indicates that Enochian magick users can expect to

1. Find deposits of gems and veins of metal ore (geology)
2. Transport things from one place to another (mechanics)
3. Transform substances (chemistry)
4. Produce medicines (pharmacology)

All of these have hundreds of sub-groupings that fall under these general headings, so one might have conjurations tailored to specific forms of chemistry or emchanics etc..

Additionally there are 91 regional governors who are expected to perform various functions in remote places across the world, but it is somewhat difficult to assign these properly as the map was a little less than complete in Dee's time.

The first series of calls are used to call the Tablet spirits, and the Aethyrs are called to give audeince of the 91 Governors. Common sage is slightly different with the Tablets given standard "elemental" provenance and the Governors more or less neglected in favor of an advancing scheme of astral fantasy as one probes the Aethyrs as if they were lands to explore.

Personally I think it likely that the system would function as Dee claims, but since I've never met a doctor, engineer, chemist, or geologist who cold attribute any reasonable degree of their success to Enochian magick, I can only assume the present claimants are either failing to produce results or that they are simply doing something else entirely while assuming it is the same subject.

As for claims of spiritual progress from Enochian magick, I can only guess that such are made as an excuse for an otherwise fruitless effort. Dee's records appear to indicate that his spirituality was frequently debased by the spirits, who told him to cease worshiping Jesus (his deity), encouraged marital infidelity, and in general seemed to have confused him more than exalted him. if there were anything that mght be considered spiritual in Dee's records, it is his devotional prayers and other work done more or less in spite of what the spirits revealed and offered to perform, which were entirely material works with what would have been observable effects.

As for claims of spiritual progress from Enochian magick, I can only guess that such are made as an excuse for an otherwise fruitless effort. Dee's records appear to indicate that his spirituality was frequently debased by the spirits, who told him to cease worshiping Jesus (his deity), encouraged marital infidelity, and in general seemed to have confused him more than exalted him. if there were anything that mght be considered spiritual in Dee's records, it is his devotional prayers and other work done more or less in spite of what the spirits revealed and offered to perform, which were entirely material works with what would have been observable effects.

Yet consider the contents of Liber 418. From that I would say it is fairly clear that certain aspects of the system do constitute an initiatory process, specifically the work of the aethyrs. Even the Schuellers (who are otherwise despicable) have an interesting section on this in their first book, which given the paucity of work on the subject isn't bad provided that you ignore everything they have to say about magick in general (No, I am not summoning an Enochian spirit to improve my appreciation of classical music!!).

I also find it questionable as to whether being instructed to change his religious practice could be taken as evidence that the work was of no spiritual benefit to Dee. That seems to assume that the C16th mode of pious christianity that he espoused is right on the button, which is not true for many. How many of us have been bashed by one spirit or another and essentially told, "No! Don't do that! Do this!" It is no different as far as I can see.

Yet consider the contents of Liber 418. From that I would say it is fairly clear that certain aspects of the system do constitute an initiatory process, specifically the work of the aethyrs.

I also find it questionable as to whether being instructed to change his religious practice could be taken as evidence that the work was of no spiritual benefit to Dee. That seems to assume that the C16th mode of pious christianity that he espoused is right on the button, which is not true for many.

Liber 418 is a fair distance from what I would call "real Enochian magic," and the same could be said for the Golden Dawn's variations. The spirits were pretty clear about how to work the system, and the popular modern approaches discard a lot of those instructions and add a host of new ones. They are Enochian-themed, but they aren't Enochian magic proper. If you play baseball with no bat, no bases, and badminton raquets, is it still baseball?

The work described by the spirits was entirely material, and to dismiss it as symbolic is pure cowardice. If you don't believe it possible to do those things in the real and literal sense, the only way to find out is to get the tools and try the system according to the way the spirits say it should be done. It's less than 300 bucks and about two weeks of daily work, that's not a bad price for miracles.

Liber 418 is a fair distance from what I would call "real Enochian magic," and the same could be said for the Golden Dawn's variations. The spirits were pretty clear about how to work the system, and the popular modern approaches discard a lot of those instructions and add a host of new ones. They are Enochian-themed, but they aren't Enochian magic proper. If you play baseball with no bat, no bases, and badminton raquets, is it still baseball?

The work described by the spirits was entirely material, and to dismiss it as symbolic is pure cowardice. If you don't believe it possible to do those things in the real and literal sense, the only way to find out is to get the tools and try the system according to the way the spirits say it should be done. It's less than 300 bucks and about two weeks of daily work, that's not a bad price for miracles.

Well, it looks like this is a case of how we define our terms. As far as I am concerned anything that makes use of, or is derived from, Enochian communications (past or present) constitutes Enochian magic. I speak from experience when I say that in no way is it necessary to stick to the traditional formulae in order to make contact with these spirits (although I should point out that I do own and make use of all the paraphernalia...Holy Table, Aemeths, seals e.t.c.). In a similar manner, I also think that to dismiss the modern interpretations/variations/extrapolations from the GD and AC as totally invalid is a mistake. If it works, and the experience of countless magicians proves that it does, then that should be sufficient justification, and in magic as in all things efficiency is the ultimate criteria. The question is, what do you want to accomplish?

This may seem tangential to the point although I think it is relevant so please bear with me, but another thing I feel moved to comment on at this point is the compartmental attitude that we are forced to take in this discussion. The language we employ works against us. We have set up categories of "genuine Enochian" and "Crowley's Enochian" and "GD Enochian" (okay, the whole thing with the Sphynxs bugs the hell out of me too). As the late, great RAW consistently reminded us "The Map is not the Territory", and "The Menu is not the Meal". My own view is that the Powers are in a constant state of motion, much like the cosmos they represent, and any form of ritual technology we employ in order to gain access to them is always secondary to the communication itself. The spirits are the reality, the rituals and maps are just tools.

Anyway, what I am trying to say (poorly) is that yes, the original communications do provide for material workings, and if people want to use the system for that it is fine by me. What I do insist upon is that, if pursued in a different manner and for particular ends, the Enochian system can have an initiatory aspect.