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post Aug 13 2006, 04:36 AM
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I am curious, not because I am a satanist but because I really would want to do this. I always here of people (usually satanists) selling their souls or making a pact with a demon or something but is it possible for another human to infact give away their soul to another? My reasons for wanting to know your opinion are quite private but I just am wondering what you think.


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post Jan 29 2007, 04:49 PM
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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jan 25 2007, 12:30 PM) *
Wha...? Let's consider that phrase for a second... you can steal a soul... for the purpose of evil certainly... but the purpose of good?

That's contradictory. If it were a 'good' purpose, why would you need to steal it? Stealing implies taking what is not yours, what is not owed, secreting it away from the person/place/thing who owned it. What good purpose could you have to steal a soul?

That sounds a bit like the idea of 'the ends justifies the means', which is an evil statement in and of itself, according to most philosophies.

care to explain that viewpoint?

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Well vagrant, what about someone who is already evil? Say a child murderer, and you stole their soul.....I mean doesnt the ends justify the means....A totally unlikely situation I confess but then again so is stealing souls to begin with.


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post Jan 29 2007, 05:23 PM
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QUOTE(BloodArchon @ Jan 29 2007, 05:49 PM) *
Well vagrant, what about someone who is already evil? Say a child murderer, and you stole their soul.....I mean doesnt the ends justify the means....A totally unlikely situation I confess but then again so is stealing souls to begin with.


mmm, having never been in the presence of a person who was that evil, I can't confirm it for sure, but somehow I think those people have already given their souls up to the void, hence the twisted purpose they have taken into themselves.

And even if they do still have an intact soul, i'm not sure that's the sort of soul you want any sort of attachment to.

And in most cases, the ends does not justify the means. It is the means, not the end, that will usually mess you up by the time you get there.

What it comes down to is that 'stealing' a soul, comes from a position of ego. Stealing implies taking from someone/something for oneself, for whatever purpose. Outside the ego condition, such an action does not exist. Even if it is from someone judged 'evil' by those, it is also worth mentioning, inside the ego condition.

There is a better way to deal with that situation. If you are going to attempt to steal a soul, you're going to be fortifying the ego, seperating yourself from the divine, and thus pushing yourself to a lower density. Ultimately, it does you more harm than good.

You could argue the altruism of sacrificing your own nearness to divinity (in whatever form you choose to see it), by incurring such a condition on yourself by stealing the soul of someone you've judged to be evil, but in the end it's just selfish martyrdom, and what happens when you aren't rooted to a body anymore? The weight of that stolen soul is going to be a more realistic hinderence then.

You could say the ends justify the means in that case, but realistically there are other ways to go about meting out justice to evil doers, that would be just as effective, and far more selflessly altruistic.

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QUOTE(Vagrant Dreamer @ Jan 29 2007, 06:23 PM) *
What it comes down to is that 'stealing' a soul, comes from a position of ego. Stealing implies taking from someone/something for oneself, for whatever purpose. Outside the ego condition, such an action does not exist. Even if it is from someone judged 'evil' by those, it is also worth mentioning, inside the ego condition.

There is a better way to deal with that situation. If you are going to attempt to steal a soul, you're going to be fortifying the ego, seperating yourself from the divine, and thus pushing yourself to a lower density. Ultimately, it does you more harm than good.


yes. good point. Appropriation of the soul by bully-boy tactics (usually cowardice). Usually an employer who has you by the short and curlies but more often than not, politicians who steal the identities of an entire country to satisfy and puff up their little selves.


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BloodArchon   Stealing Souls   Aug 13 2006, 04:36 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   I am curious, not because I am a satanist but beca...   Aug 13 2006, 09:49 AM
BloodArchon   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Aug 13 2006, 01:42 PM
Angalor   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Aug 13 2006, 04:14 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Aug 13 2006, 04:50 PM
Beast   Hahaha, thank you. But first off allow me to dispe...   Jan 22 2007, 12:09 AM
Edunpanna   Greetings everyone, As I stated back in post 43 o...   Feb 2 2007, 09:35 PM
Alafair   [size=3][font=Verdana]Selling of souls is not an o...   Aug 14 2006, 02:18 AM
BloodArchon   Thank you for your opinions! :kicking: I am no...   Aug 14 2006, 07:53 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   Thank you for your opinions! :kicking: I am no...   Aug 14 2006, 12:19 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   I do not know for a fact vagrant dreamer that th...   Aug 15 2006, 06:37 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   I do not know for a fact vagrant dreamer that this...   Aug 15 2006, 10:33 AM
BloodArchon   My definition of a soul is the entity in side us t...   Aug 15 2006, 04:15 PM
Eroscupidonamor   Selling the soul,is selling your identity,your fre...   Aug 16 2006, 07:33 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   in that way, with enough energy i think it is poss...   Aug 16 2006, 09:06 AM
BloodArchon   That sounds very interesting...lol unfortunetly my...   Aug 17 2006, 04:35 PM
Wanderer   Perhaps you heard of this: Some guy was selling hi...   Aug 21 2006, 08:29 AM
A_Smoking_Fox   that is a form of ritual work you developed for ...   Aug 22 2006, 05:46 AM
diana   if 'soul' defined here is purpose(idea) or...   Aug 22 2006, 09:49 AM
BloodArchon   if 'soul' defined here is purpose(idea) or...   Aug 23 2006, 09:27 PM
diana   i dont believe in whole soul stealing idea like we...   Aug 24 2006, 07:57 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   Interesting, while i t think reprogramming someone...   Aug 25 2006, 06:39 AM
diana   :goodposting:   Aug 25 2006, 10:12 AM
BloodArchon   :offtopic: You know I cant help to notice that you...   Aug 26 2006, 03:16 AM
Seronleithian   :offtopic: You know I cant help to notice that you...   Sep 14 2006, 10:39 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   you confuse karma with a human sense of right and ...   Aug 26 2006, 07:46 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   yeah, I know lots of people who don't believe ...   Aug 26 2006, 09:20 AM
BloodArchon   lol I see...by posting that last post I posted I a...   Aug 26 2006, 12:39 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   lol I see...by posting that last post I posted I a...   Aug 26 2006, 06:28 PM
BloodArchon   Your right vagrant, I totally agree with you on th...   Aug 28 2006, 05:34 PM
A_Smoking_Fox   one could say it is a choice for the person to bel...   Aug 29 2006, 12:04 PM
motsie   In terms of karma, let's discard the adjective...   Sep 15 2006, 12:20 AM
Enkidu   Stealing someone's soul is possible but involv...   Sep 19 2006, 08:45 AM
Alafair   Soul stealing nowadays is big business, but from w...   Sep 19 2006, 01:45 PM
DeathStalker   Satan doesn't steal souls. I haven't heard...   Nov 3 2006, 05:36 PM
Ashnook   Only a human would want to in my honest opinion. ...   Nov 3 2006, 01:59 PM
Suxur-Mash596   Anyone out there that does want to steal souls is ...   Nov 3 2006, 05:52 PM
Acid09   I tend to follow VagrantDreamer on this one. If t...   Nov 15 2006, 03:31 PM
BloodArchon   Hmmm lol since I have started this post my views a...   Nov 16 2006, 08:05 PM
DeathStalker   Hmmm lol since I have started this post my views a...   Nov 17 2006, 12:26 AM
BloodArchon   If you agree with what I believe I actually have c...   Nov 21 2006, 08:48 PM
levannah60   Look, I'm new here, but I couldn't resist ...   Nov 27 2006, 05:36 PM
BloodArchon   It's known that you have to collect these thin...   Nov 30 2006, 10:37 PM
Vagrant Dreamer   Look, I'm new here, but I couldn't resist ...   Nov 30 2006, 10:57 PM
smasher666   Look, I'm new here, but I couldn't resist ...   Dec 1 2006, 12:02 AM
Xochipilli   Assuming youve given your soul/purpose over to som...   Dec 1 2006, 01:06 AM
smasher666   Greetings Xochipilli', Amphetamines and lack...   Dec 1 2006, 04:23 AM
Darkmage   My $2 after following this thread for a while...   Dec 1 2006, 06:23 AM
BloodArchon   He then said if I wanted to get rid of him I would...   Dec 2 2006, 01:23 AM
Enochian   Because it was not the devil it was a demon or neg...   Dec 2 2006, 06:34 PM
Giannis1972   Neophyte, Ego is the worst thing a magician could ...   Jan 19 2007, 04:11 AM
Enochian   I have yet to read the entire post. But i could no...   Jan 24 2007, 10:34 PM
Infinitus   You can steal a soul for purposes of good or for p...   Jan 25 2007, 12:38 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   You can steal a soul for purposes of good or for p...   Jan 25 2007, 11:30 AM
Enochian   I can only think of one Vagrant and its only myth....   Jan 25 2007, 02:27 PM
Enochian   Like a bullet.....lol Stealing a soul. I can give...   Jan 29 2007, 05:39 PM
Enochian   Jesus died for us, a bunch of murderers and betray...   Feb 2 2007, 02:16 PM
BloodArchon   Jesus died for us, a bunch of murderers and betray...   Feb 2 2007, 04:20 PM
Enochian   I appose christianity also but not god and not the...   Feb 2 2007, 04:46 PM
Acid09   Enochian becareful you don't come off as overl...   Feb 2 2007, 07:14 PM
Enochian   I believe the soul can be "infiltrated" ...   Feb 2 2007, 07:37 PM
MOLOCH   The term 'selling your soul' is an inventi...   Feb 12 2007, 01:08 PM
BloodArchon   :D Im happy I made you smile...well since I start...   Mar 12 2007, 10:42 PM

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