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Khenti_Amenti
post Jun 3 2006, 09:56 AM
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Can anyone give me some good arguments for Reincarnation?

I have myself quarreled inside when it comes to this topic.
I prefer however to keep disciplins apart and keep the Relegio/Mystical to it self and not blend in natural science.

Scientifically the most importand factor defining life is procreation.

Since most of my spirtual work has been Hermetic and Kabbalistic i tend to see thing through those traditions.

The "wheel" of rebirth, or Samsara of the Hindus does not really have an equivalent in either Kabbala or Hermetisism even if the "climbing" towards the light of anihilation, Nirvana does (in the case of Kabbala it would be Kether).

I HAVE however speculated in the sphere of Yesod, working as a final matrix for creation might harbour som "stuff" or "memories", patterns of the created on the way up after death and that energy of a sort corresponding might "grab" it in going down to be created.

This could explain being reborn as severel different people as one Dalai Lama was.

This is not well thought through Kabbala or canonic in anyway though.
My main concern is the here and now.

Sometimes rather naive arguments like "the little flowers returning in spring" are used. Thing is, its not the same flowers. They procreated and rotted.

*Feed the worms*

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post Jan 16 2007, 08:24 PM
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A very good book on reincarnation is called "Old Souls" by Tom Shroder. The book follows Dr. Ian Stevenson to Beirut and India to investigate cases of children who recall past life details. Most of the children are born knowing intimate details of families they've never met. The families generally live within 50-100 miles from the children's homes. The kids know names, dates, places and even resemble the people they claim to have been in past lives. Dr. Stevenson is a man who has devoted his entire life to researching these cases and investigating them, even at the cost of his medical career.

Some commonalities in the cases are; that reincarnation usually occurs within 8 months of death, karma seems to have no effect at all on the types of lives the souls are reborn into, birthmarks seem to be scars from past life injuries. Also, there are claims the the spirit world mourns a rebirth in the same fashion that we mourn a death on earth.

It's a very scientific investigation in reincarnation and an excellent read. I came away from the book with this thought - Does it really matter if reincarnation exists if you cannot remember your past lives? What is the difference between a reincarnated soul and a new soul if no memory of the event exists?

Check out the book if this topic interests you. I don't think there is a better book on the subject.

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post Feb 5 2007, 05:54 PM
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As someone who remembers being reincarnated more than once...and by CHOICE, I KNOW that reincarnation is a very real, tangible thing. I dont know if it varies with different entities, it probably does, but i have lived both animal and human lives, mostly female, sometimes with single objectives, and sometimes just to simply exist. I have been murdered at least twice, written several novels (ill never know if they were published), and ive been hunted and eaten. Let me tell you, it sucks to be gazelle.

Despite my memories, and personal experiences, in this specific lifetime i have tried to attach some logical reasoning to why reincarnation might exist, what its process would be, and other significant factors. My twin brother, too, has discussed and argued different philosophies regarding it. Give and take a few points, we generally agree on the same things:

Time is not lateral. You can live a life more than once. The same life can have very different results. Some souls have the choice of what "time" they enter into. For most though, life is a continuity spanning from one end to the other and there is little variation from this path. For most, there is a past, a present, and a future.

The soul is seperate from the body. Well duh.

There are Old souls, and there are New souls. My brother is an old soul. Im not sure how old i am, but i think i am relatively new on the spectrum of aging souls. What i can surmise from this is that souls are constantly being born...which leads to the question: where are they coming from? This source must be ever expanding and virile to be animating so many and without time constraints.

There is a period between transmutation: what we call "limbo". It is a time of reflection, decay, and sometimes an oppurtunity to return to the source. In order to move on, in either instance (either to go to the next life form, or return to the source) one must be able to give up a past identity, past knowledge or realizations and characteristics. It is not easy, and it might take millions of years for some. For others, there is an immediate return. It is the "River of Lethe" before one's return that makes us forget or let go of past lives. As painful as it is, and it IS torturous, be glad that it exists.

There is a Source: Dont get me started on it. "Being" "God" call "it" what you will, but it is in general an assemblance of life in one mass. It is a "heaven" of sorts, only there is no individual...no such thing as seperate souls. LIFE. Everything every one is All, the Entirety.


So these are the general points my brother and i agree on. I could go on and on about Why, and i have several ideas. I also have a lot of questions stemming from my theories and my experience. If there is the Epitomy of everything in the Source....then is there an epitome of Nothing? Where are we headed to, and how does the latest evolution of sentient life progress us towards out destination? Do we have a destination assuming that our Origin is selfsustaining and paradoxical in ITS own origin? So many questions. But i thought it was best to lay the ground work out first...and get some feed back. After all, there is always someone out there who knows more, whose lived more lives(lol).

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post Feb 5 2007, 06:10 PM
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P.S (lol) I thought the scientific approach would be to first list my observations. Theories will come later, much later.

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Khenti_Amenti   Reincarnation?   Jun 3 2006, 09:56 AM
Acid09   One theory I have toyed with is the idea that we a...   Jun 9 2006, 03:25 PM
eSaNa   I have read several books on this subject and I my...   Jun 10 2006, 05:52 AM
alin   My opinion is we get another chance to become bett...   Sep 1 2006, 03:03 PM
Karlz16   yeah what i have read form other sources on reinca...   Sep 1 2006, 03:06 PM
Karlz16   we live there for as long as we want as others wou...   Sep 1 2006, 03:09 PM
alin   My toughts exactly , and then when we die we remem...   Sep 2 2006, 12:19 PM
Saul de Plume   Do you believe in reincarnation? For that matter d...   Nov 24 2006, 11:31 PM
DeathStalker   Do you believe in Reincarnation? I believe in rei...   Nov 24 2006, 11:41 PM
smasher666   Yes I believe in reincarnation. Yes I believe in ...   Nov 24 2006, 11:49 PM
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Vagrant Dreamer   I believe in both karma and reincarnation. Here...   Nov 25 2006, 11:50 PM
Saul de Plume   I can kinda see his reasoning for that, but I stil...   Nov 25 2006, 11:31 PM
mandrake   This is really good!!! In reality, if...   Nov 26 2006, 03:17 PM
DeathStalker   This is really good!!! In reality, if...   Dec 7 2006, 03:32 AM
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business voodoo   i can see reincarnation as being as valid as it no...   Dec 15 2006, 04:37 PM
Alafair   [size=3][color=#CC9933]IMO the goal of human exist...   Feb 7 2007, 01:53 PM
valkyrie   Much love to Alafair. Your reply was enjoyed. I ...   Feb 8 2007, 02:12 PM
valkyrie   I figure this subject is not a popular one anymore...   Feb 25 2007, 01:44 PM
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