Lbrp : God Names And The Elements, Some inconsistencies… or maybe blinds??? Options

Hey everyone,

Has anyone noticed that there is something that is not quite right about the LBRP? That is that the God names do not correspond to their quarters given the elemental nature of each quarter. Let me explain…

Traditional associations:

East :: YHVH :: Raphael :: Air
South :: ADNI :: Michael :: Fire
West :: AHIH :: Gabriel :: Water
North :: AGLA :: Auriel :: Earth

The archangels, elements, and cardinal points all coincide with their kabbalistic correspondences; however, the God names do not. AHIH (eheieh) is the God name of the Sephirah Keter, the Sefer Yetzirah tells us that Keter corresponds to breath…right? In which case, should not AHIH correspond to air (i.e breath) in the eastern sphere? AGLA is short for “Ateh Gibor Le-olam Adonai” (thou are forever my lord), some kabbalists associate this with the sphere of Geburah through the root Gibor. Geburah is the sphere of fire. ADNI refers to “Adonai he-Aretz”, the God name of Malkuth, and thus is perhaps best associated with earth. Leaving us with YHVH; however, the tetragramaton encompasses all four elements, so theoretically it can be vibrated in any direction. What we get is the following correspondences:

East :: AHIH :: Raphael :: Air
South :: AGLA :: Michael :: Fire
West :: YHVH?? :: Gabriel :: Water
North :: ADNI :: Auriel :: Earth

I have experimented with this and for me it seems to result in a much more cohesive unification between the microcosm and macrocosm. I would be interested to hear if anyone else has experimented with the LBRP in such a manner and their results. Also, if anyone has a suggestion for a god name that can be properly linked to water to replace YHVH in the west, please let me know. I hope this post can spark some discussions regarding our individual interpretations of this basic but ever so important practice.

This is where the confusion of the elemental associations come from. The archangels in the LRP are less the actual archangel and more the association fire, water, air, and earth being to Yod Heh Vav Heh being to Atziluth, Briah, Yetzirah, Assiah or if you'd rather Father, Mother, Son, and Daughter.

Ah I see, thanks for the clarification. Though I still feel as if the idea of these worlds being localized to quadrants is a bit of stretch . But I do see the 'logic' of the correspondences within the G.D. system as indeed the elemental attributions to the letters/worlds is consistent with kabbalah...In all honestly it seems that the naming of the archangels just further complicates matters as their elemental attributions are tenuous a best(but as you say they are less archangels and more elemental).

I don't normally follow Crowley; however, his exegesis on the LRP to me seems to maintain better with traditionalism, but as you mentioned to each their own.

Nero, what is your experience with the Six-dimensional Cube of space? outlined in Sefer Yetzirah and in more detail in the Bahir. If not with the LRP, do you see this cube alluded to in any other rituals?

This post has been edited by Faustopheles: Feb 7 2007, 03:34 PM

Then why is it in the Sun Adorations its;

Ra = East - Morning
Hathoor = South - Afternoon
Tum = West - Sunset
Kephura = North - Midnight

I understand these are (apparently0 the manifesations of Ra throughout the day but whyt don't they correspond to the LBRP, for eg; Hathoor is east in the LBRP yet is praised to the south in the Adorations... and also why are there diffrent Gods (4 sons of Heru) in the more traditional Kemetian ritual -The Opening of the Mouth- rather than the ones used in the LBRP and such... might make a thread about it.

Htp
Dk

Then why is it in the Sun Adorations its;

Ra = East - Morning
Hathoor = South - Afternoon
Tum = West - Sunset
Kephura = North - Midnight

I understand these are (apparently0 the manifesations of Ra throughout the day but whyt don't they correspond to the LBRP, for eg; Hathoor is east in the LBRP yet is praised to the south in the Adorations... and also why are there diffrent Gods (4 sons of Heru) in the more traditional Kemetian ritual -The Opening of the Mouth- rather than the ones used in the LBRP and such... might make a thread about it.

Htp
Dk

I don't quite see how Hathor fits into the LBRP, do you care to elaborate?

Also its seems to me that given the purpose of the Sun Adoration ritual, Hathor is misplaced. In Egyptian cosmology she is not a solar deity, but rather representative of the heavens and particularly associated with the night sky and Milky Way. There is another mis-correspondence regarding the noon and morning sun; Egyptian sources usually associat Ra as the noon sun (at the zenith of his power) and the morning sun is the young god Keper (Kephura) rising in the east. Anyway, this is all off topic. If you wish to reply to my comments regarding the Sun Adoration ritual please do so in another thread, I'll be happy to discuss and explain my reasoning.

You may want to check out This Thread for a discussion on the Four Sons of Horus (Heru).