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Sparsespartana
post Feb 15 2007, 01:14 PM
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It's been doing it for about a year, during some periods every day... and I just can't get any juice out of it.

It started well enough, but after a few months of daily practice, I didn't seem to have any results. I read Kraigs' modern magic book and he says it is likely you'll start seeing "visions" of things, he says he saw a snake disappear into the floor or something.

I'm no where near that point, if indeed I can get to such a point. I know the point of magick is NOT to have little tricks and visions but I feel bad that I cannot sense any true progress. I expected I would at least have gradual signs or feelings that I was advancing, even if just in baby steps.

Part of my problem may be that I rarely vibrate the names aloud, and when I do, I tend to feel a bit silly. My room has no curtains on the windows and there IS a constant sense of paranoia, at most times of day. I don't know. I dont plan on giving up but I wanted to know other people's sensations of "progress."

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post Feb 16 2007, 05:22 AM
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QUOTE(Sparsespartana @ Feb 15 2007, 02:14 PM) *
It started well enough, but after a few months of daily practice, I didn't seem to have any results. I read Kraigs' modern magic book and he says it is likely you'll start seeing "visions" of things, he says he saw a snake disappear into the floor or something.

The above have been excellent posts
I can't really add anything of practicable value, but I would like to note that Kraig also makes the point (several times) that some people may never "see" anything or even have ANY noticable effect during ritual performance . . . and still be entirely successful in the rite and thier overall ritual work.
As much as I agree with the sense of the above posts . . . you can perform rituals and have successful magickal results without seeing of feeling anything you might hear others describe. This can be from tingling sensations from the vibratory formula and visulizing flaming pentagrams to nearly tangible evlopement of a god-form or physical presence of an evocation.
It belief thats key. As Kraig describes it, you have to believe that if you were "otherwise" able to feel or see those things, YOU WOULD !!


On the vibrate - thrust thing
When I started I also used the method Faustopheles described. Pick a syllable (I also flung my arms on the first syllable) and thrust on it, try each and find the one that feels right. You can do most of that experimenting outside of ritua. Again, Kraig describes this in the section on the LBRP, I think Regardie (Middle Pillar) also goes into thrusting on a particular syllable (but I'd have to check that out to be sure myself) . . . I don't recall A.C. suggestion.

Over the years my thrusts developed more of a Tai Chi-like movement. Mine tends to flow on a longer (and slower) exaggreated pushing of energy down from my head, along my arm movement and out to the object of focus, in this case the pentagram. As such, I get the entire movement to vibrate the "word of power". But it took time and practice to get a similar sense of moving energy (rolling thunder) with this.
Thrust is an action of wider definition then it might sound.

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