The Science Of Magick Options

Can science explain magick? Can magick explain science? Or are they entirely independent ideas without any overlapping domain? Is only one real?

Ill try to answer my own question. But i would really like to hear everyone else's answer. Ill start with the easier question and move up from there. Can magick explain science? yes. When boiled down to the essentials magick is nothing more then the execution of will into a material manifestation. Sometimes this involves spirits or angels, but even in those situations some will is trying to be satisfied. You don't always need to be aware of magick in order to perform magick. A child wishing with all his/her heart for snow the next day to get off from school is practicing a simple form of chaos magick. The scientist toiling in his workshop all night trying to come up with proof that his theory works is also performing magick. A mage can conclude that all the big breakthroughs in science aren't a result of the scientific method. The scientist just willed it strong enough to make it a reality. Sometimes these breakthroughs are caused by a group of people wishing for one outcome or another. One might say the current state of science is manifested by our desires and direction.

But now for the harder question. Can science define magick and how can it if magick defines science. Well simply put science can define magick, but that in no way negates my previous statement. Chaos theory and quantum mechanics provide a good explanation of the mechanics of magick. In quantum mechanics a particle can move seemingly without an external force being applied to it. The elementary particles behave very differently then in newtonian physics. A particle completly at rest and with no external influence can leap forward suddently. A particle shot out of a gun can suddently change direction and speed without influence. Science has yet to show any mechanism acting on these particles to explain their sudden unprovoked changes. However studies using radioactive decay powered random generators show that when a person or child exerts their mental will ont hese generators we can cause them to slightly change and output the numbers the person wills them to generate. This bascially shows that these random movements of elementary particles are effected by mental will. This is where chaos theory comes into play. In chaotic system (like quantum mechanics) any small change in an earlier state can result in very large changes in future states. Another words moving a few particles around now may cause you to be a millionair in a week. Since we determined this small changes can be executed by will it would seem to be a solid explanation of magick from a scientific stand point. Although i admit there are still plenty of questions that could be answered on the matter.

So it works both ways. Magick defines science, science defines magick. It might seem contradictory, or a circular argument. You'd be right from a conventional sense. but opposites are in fact more similar then different, i would even go as far to say they are the same thing. from a thelema point of view one would say "0=2". So really i see no contradiction, just points of view. Its all reality, none of it is real, well, to be more accurate, it is only as real as you let it be.

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Magick is the realm of causal reality not yet fully explored by our material understanding. Science is litterally knowledge, and specifically it is knowledge that is demonstrable in the material world in one way or another. Science follows a low of observation and hypothesis, which can be applied to magickal exploration as well. However, unlike Science, magick is a science of subtle observation, hypothesis, and experimentation. It is a science, to those who possess the necessary equipment for observation. The same equipment used to observe material reality, but the magician employs those tools, the senses, on the subtle reality rather than the material.

While science and magick are arguably the same, mutually capable - in the long run - of explaining one another, they function on the two sides of the same coin of reality - the gross material, and the subtle astral. Each reaches far into the other, as that division is a spectrum, not an absolute boundary.

Chaos theory, quantum causal fields, etc., are where that overlap is beginning to manifest. While both science and magick will take their respective perspectives on these new understandings, science will never call quantum vibrations magick, any more than a magick will call the astral science. This is one of the most talked about subjects amongst those that have a mind for both subjects.

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