Lesser/greater Rituals, What are the diffrent uses Options

Ok i've seen it asked many times but have yet to see a answer to the question.

What is the practical diffrence between the greater/supreme and lesser rituals? eg.lbrp and gbrp
I know the greaters uses the spirit pent/hex.This is not really what i'm looking for.
they have diffrent uses what are these uses?

From my own studies its looking like the lessers are use to invoke/banish a single element or planetary force were
the greater ones are for invoking/banishing more then one element or planetary force at a time.

Am I looking at this right?

I'm sure there's more to it but i really don't need a indepth study of it just something to get a idea on the system of magic.

thanks in advance just having these fourms to read has answered alot of questions i've had.

Hmmm . . . I use it in an elemental banishing/invoking context . .

Regardie (Middle Pillar) makes numerous references to the elemental aspects of the ritual, its pentagram, the god names and the Archangels.
As do Greer, Kraig and Dequette, seemingly.

I assumed that the particular elemental arrangement in the traditional LBRP was the Banishing Earth form specifically because it was operating in/on Malkuth in Assiah. Very much specifically an elemental relationship, like the page/princess of disks.

What, particularly, are the 'forces in assiah' that the LRP deals with . . . that doesn't also include the elements?

This post has been edited by palindroem: Mar 18 2007, 04:00 AM

Ok ok, lets slow down here people...

The LBRP has nothing to do with banishing the 4 elements and leaving only spirit?

This is floor shaking stuff especially as it seems to work so well. Each book I've read states that one is supposed to envision the dieties according to their elemental quater. As I use and am happy using the Egyptian version, although the elemental aspect of the dieties are blurred which has been grating with me for some time, I.Regardie has it that the intonations at the quaters are as follows;

East - Nef = Air = Hathoor
South - Ash = Fire = Sekhmet
West - Mu = Water = Toum
North - Ta = Earth = Hapi Wer

blah blah blah

What has been getting to me is that the dieties don't fit with the elements, Hapi wer is said to corespond to the Nile understandable that he is then earth but hes more water than earth which has lead me to looking into the 4 sons of Heru as quaters. The only one that really fits is Sekhmet. All slightly off topic but if the LBRP has no elemental qualities why does I.Regardie and others have it that the names intoned in Egyptian translate as the elements?

Nef = Air and so on and so forth?

The invokation at the end then has it as;

Hathoor = Mother of light - The morning - East
Toum = Setting sun - The sun set - West
Sekhmet = Mighty lady of flame - Midday - South
Hapi wer = Bull of the earth - Night - North.

This would relate to the idea that the LBRP has to do with directions (as would the 4 sons of heru) so rather than the dieties being elemental they are as mentioned, directional, relating to the aspects of the sun but then how does this take from the elemental side of things, Raphael as floating in the wind, Michael as holding a flaming sword and Auriel (again water rather than earth surely?) holding wheat grass on a knoll?

For them to be Qabalistic does make sence... can see that now (came across a diffrent interpretation). So a person would stand as Horus in the center, Tiphareth as beauty.

*Edditt* So then using the 4 sons of Horus would be more viable an option than the given Egyptian dieties.

East = Raphael/Hathoor - Hod = Splendor = the morning sun - Air -
South = Michael/Sekhmet - Geburah = Severity/Judgement = Midday sun - Fire-
West = Gabriel/Toum - Chesed = Kindness/Setting sun - Water-
North = Auriel/Hapi wer - Netzach = Victory -Earth-

---?Can't cut and paste a Kaballah diagram?----

Can see it clearly now although I use a diffrent version of the Qaballah and would have to adapt it but theres still that elemental quality to it even with the Qaballistic correspondences and colours. Fire is severe and judging, water is kind with its nourishment, ?Earth is victorious?

I hold that the LBRP has elemental as well as Qaballistic directional qualities to it, it only makes sence that way.

HTP (IMG:style_emoticons/default/egypt1.gif)
Mc

This post has been edited by Mchawi: Mar 19 2007, 12:29 PM

Of course the angels don't fit in that order, so it dosen't work out. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/compress.gif)