Physical Dangers Of Prolonged Ap? Options

I read an account in a book about a boy who astrally projected, in an outdoor scene. He stayed in for about 6 real hours, and when he had regained conciousness he had found out that his physical body had done things while he was gone! But even after that he was in a lot of pain, and heard a voice in his head warning him that AP can lead to physical breakdown.

Anyone heard an account similar to this?

I just have one other question...astral predators? That doesnt sound to good!

Elephants have their size, Gazzels have their speed, Cheetas have stealth, certain snakes have venom, monkies find protection in trees - humans have intelligence and are protected by their numbers in settlements, well that and guns. All animals have their evolutionairy ways for self defense and survival. For every animal that has a survival technique there is another that strives to overcome it to maintain its own existance - these are predators and parasites. On the astral plains it is no different than say a jungle or urban sprawl there are things and entites that go bump in the night. Generally speaking, from what I know about astral parasites, they work by attacking the weak spots of a person's aura. Most are no more dangerous than say head lice and many many people are affected by astral parasites and never know it - most people have worms of some kind or another too.

The differences I associate between astral parasites and predators is that parasites feed off a person over a prolonged period of time and are relatively harmless if not a mere annoyance. Predators, on the other hand, are like carnivors they work to consume a person and indeed it does happen, provided one subscribes to this philosophy - again remember we really don't *know* anything at all about the astral plains we can only speculate. But it is a generally widely accepted belief that there are bad things on the astral plains.

Common names for astral parasites are leeches - simple entites that attach itself to a person's weakened energy centers. The other is astral lice. They are tiny and annoying little bugs that attatch to the outer layer of one's aura and suck minnute quantities of energy. But in large numbers they can be a problem.

Common names I associate for astral predators are daimons - They come in two forms Cacodaimons, the kind you watch out for and avoid like the plague, and Eudaimons who can actually be beneficial guides and bringers of knowledge. They do tend to follow their own agenda though and that might not include your safetly. Then you have demons not to be confused with daimons, I consider these guys to be lesser beings but they are just as malevolent. All these can manifest in many forms. They generally feed off of fear, anger, saddness and paranoia. Finally the next catagory of astral predators, are shadow people. They are lesser beings than people but maintain a certain degree of intelligence. They also exist in dark places and generally where negative -more dense, not bad- energy gathers. While they pose little threat to people they can catalize and feed off our own negative energy. Astral nasties can manifest in many forms.

Again understand these are only my beliefs you may come to your own as you gain further experience. Do not take these descriptions as gossple these are only my ideas and I think they are acceptable for this site because nobody has bood me out of here yet. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/wink.gif) But realize somebody may disagree with me and have their own ideas.

The key factor to understand here is that the astral plains can be described in layers. That is that certain entities exist in different levels according to the make up of their energy. Thus most of those bad things exist in places that are on lower levels than where most people are. These bad things cannot enter into our realm without assistance and therefore there is very little real danger one should expect unless if for some reason you journy their world. Even then it is not difficult to protect yourself.

I divide the astral world into there levels (I also believe in sub-levels but I don't want to get overly complicated here) The first and highest I simply call the high astral. This is mostly accessible to people but it takes an at least intermediate practioner to be good at traveling this realm. This is where one would go to seek adepts, other experienced astral travelers, and greater entites like say angels or fairies. The middle level is commonly known as the etherial plains - or ghost world. This place co-exists with our mundane (Earthly) existance. When one astral projects this is the place they most commonly traverse. It is similar in appearance to the real world only that one is not attatched to their body. Some also believe that people's dreams intersect with this level. It is also a common belief that this is where earth bound spirits linger when they pass from their mortal lives. It's where I think shadow people dwell. The low levels of the astral plains compose the sub-lunarary realm. This is where the majority of astral predators dwell. The only reason why you would encounter one is if your personal energy is unhealthy, like you're near death, you're very sick or psychotic.

All of this might seem a bit out there and over the top but let me just say you still have nothing to fear. Even though there are things that can hurt you on astral realm you pose more danger to yourself practicing improper techniques than you do from astral predators. People have natural defenses as well. You know when you see something or experience something spooky you get that tingly sensation and your hair stands on end? Well this is actually your aura spiking like a porky pine. It happens naturally and when it does it should assure you that you are protected. And this acts as a barrier against most astral predators. Also you can learn other techniques off this site and others to increase your psychic defense.

This post has been edited by Acid09: Mar 14 2007, 06:14 PM

Thankyou ! from what little experience i have, and from the info you gave me i feel reassured that i am not in fact pyschotic. i heard APs can contribute to mental illness and delusions. however, I am familiar with my sanity and my insanities, so im not too worried about it. As for predators, I dont intend to go looking for them but you better believe that id put up a fight if i encountered one! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/medieval.gif) Ill check out the different techniques here...i could do with one or two astral boxing lessons! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/sport_boxing.gif)

Greetings,

Spending a lot of time in the astral is not dangerous in itself. However it is possible to take spiritual damage in the astral. There are many worlds in the astral which can be traveled to. Some worlds are more dangerous than others. The worlds which we can experience in the astral are limited to both the positive and negative depth of our minds.

A Holy Man may find it impossible to travel to the farthest reaches of hell. An Unholy man could not enter a heaven realm unless such a place can be imagined in his mind.

The coolest places to explore are the worlds which are the most random. Where things may happen unexpectedly things are much more entertaining. In such places it is possible to be attacked by any unfriendly spirit which happens by. Of course on some level your mind brought that spirit into your astral experience even though that spirit is a living being separate from our consciousness.

If attacked the best thing to do is subdue the spirit if possible thereby increasing ones power in the astral. If it is not possible to defeat such an entity then it is best to immediately exit the astral. Such an attack can harm mentally and occasionally physically to reflect the spiritual / astral damage.

The length of time spent on any given astral trip I think has no bearing on the matter whatsoever. I have found that in the astral I can have a brief experience and wake up to find that a long period of time has passed. Or I can have a very lengthy astral experience and wake up to learn that only a short period of time has passed. The astral is timeless. The astral exist in all worlds past and future at the same time. In the astral all times are happening simultaneously. Reflecting the astrals ever changing manner the future and in rarer incidents even the past can change as well.

It is not a bad idea to ground ones self if a long period of time or a difficult event has occurred in the astral. Otherwise it is possible to be halfway in both the astral and physical worlds simultaneously. Which could result in events like this guy who you say spent six hours in the astral and did not realize what his body was doing.

However being halfway in the astral consciously can be a great thing if you can evaluate what is happening in both worlds simultaneously. About six years ago after endless study of dream yoga I entered the dream world / astral completely conscious of everything around me in the physical. It was an epiphany for me. Since then I have been able to enter the astral mentally while being conscious in the physical. This is one of the most difficult mind states to attain.

One danger I have found from spending so much time in the astral is that it is easy to slip into the astral by accident. I have had occasions where I passed out physically and had an unwanted astral experience. Not exactly a good thing to happen in the subway on the way to work etc. Through random unexpected astral experiences I have realized many things. From these losses of consciousness I have had gained much. Not only worldly knowledge do I gain. More importantly realization of what I should be doing currently to affect the outcome of my future.

These experiences have been sporadic and I have learned to tell when the astral is calling for me. I believe that these experiences occur due to the subconscious’s desire to reveal things to the conscious mind.

Driving a car such an experience could be fatal. I have learned to be able to tell when the astral is calling me and prevent such losses of consciousness by purposely entering the astral before it builds to that point.

Spending a lot of time in the astral can give anyone such experiences. Many people with psychic gifts sometimes pass out like this. Edgar Cayce was a great medium who recorded such experiences. Interestingly he found that he could not spend much time in the astral and have accurate visions unless he was living near a large body of water. I am not psychic in the way of Cayce but I usually know what is going to happen and what I should do to control that possibility. Intuition?

One of my closest friends sometimes has seizures and comes back to Earth after vivid astral experience. Somehow it is all connected.

The astral can be full of danger. It would not be so much fun for me if it were completely safe.

One long experience in the astral will not produce the same side effects as many short astral experiences every night for a few weeks.

Sometimes I find myself feeling a little dumb to your surroundings if too much time is being spent in the astral. The waking mind begins to wander and you pay less attention to what is happening around you. This blissful ignorance often occurs with me.

Last but not least an Out of Body experience has nothing to do with the astral. OBE is when the Ka or body double leaves the flesh and can travel in the physical world. In Astral travel the Ka or body double leaves the physical completely. These two type experiences are connected and often the terminology is confused by the initiate.


Peace!

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) thanks ed and acid. now i have another question! ok so maybe i'm dissociating but i need some help understanding what exactly is going on. Ive noticed over the span of only a couple recent APs that sometimes, i embody different aspect of my personality when i project. i act and think differently, and i tend to do things that i wouldnt normally do (nothing negative, just different)(actually...all my actions are beneficial to myself and follow the higher order). I have various perspectives which is the scary part. What the heck is going on??? Can multiple episodes of sloppy astral projection over a length of time, or prolonged APs lead to fragmenting your whole personality? I should probably give you an example, last night i had several APs almost simulataneously. Thats never happened before, and one of my personalities was a sleeping child floating in the air in a fetal position searching for a kill through slitted eyes. Its disturbing to me, because im not familiar with that aspect of myself, and here it is... a seperate me in full form, projecting. The weirdest thing is, i govern them all from a seemingly higher formless presence. Im not aware of it at the time, because when i am in a certain state i see through that specific pair of eyes, but then i follow a greater will, that is...er, me. COULD it be a dissociative illness? Is there a way i can reassemble myself DURING my projection? I dont normally project more than once at a time...think of the me i send out as a scout, i guess...And...if it IS healthy, than should i further develop those elements of my personality? in any case, no worries, i dont have this problem (if its a problem) in my waking state, just when i project. a little background information...the first half of the year is when i started to astroproject...but i never did it on purpose. I wouldnt call it natural, cuz acid, you said a number of things could be the cause. hmmmm.... Maybe if i just astrally slap myself...hehe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/doh.gif)

(IMG:style_emoticons/default/ac42.gif) thanks ed and acid. now i have another question! ok so maybe i'm dissociating but i need some help understanding what exactly is going on. Ive noticed over the span of only a couple recent APs that sometimes, i embody different aspect of my personality when i project. i act and think differently, and i tend to do things that i wouldnt normally do (nothing negative, just different)(actually...all my actions are beneficial to myself and follow the higher order). I have various perspectives which is the scary part. What the heck is going on???

In terms of dissociation when you astral project you are separating your concsiousness from your body. You are turning off your motor skills, and major cognative skills to enter a semi-conscious state of mind seperated from the body but able to percieve reality. Understand you are not actually going somewhere different. The astral plains co-exists with our mundane reality. So when you astral project the only thing that changes is your perception of reality. I describe it as a mental perception, where as our normal perspection is physical. That also means that humans are limmited in how they can traverse the astral plains. We are thinking, emotional, sensing beings and these three factors control how we travel.

When you learn how to AP, really all you've done is learned how to access the astral plains. Once you have mastered the technique then you got to learn how to navigate the astral plains. Since the human mind on the primevael level is equal to an overly emotional lizzard, your default control is emotion because in yyour semi-conscious state your higher self is unable to dominate. Thus whatever you are feeling the strongest at the time generally dictates where you go and what you do. This also means that different portions of your personallity may dominate according to your emotional state. This is why people who are psychotic, near death, or completely miserable AP to the lower regions of the astral plains - the place where all that bad stuff is. So in order to master actually traveling the astral plains and not just going there you have to gain more self control, learn how to allow your rational, thinking self to show through.

To do this you need self-awareness. This is gained simply through the repeated practice of astral projection. The more regularly you do it the more your higher mental self will adjust and change. But simply going to the astral plains alone will not give you total control over what you do. When there you need to also observe, feel and experience the astral. These are what will enable you to truely gain awareness. The easiest way to start off is to use a journal, much like you would for lucid dreaming, this will create a log for you to look back and reflect upon. For sure write down what you saw, felt, thought, and sensed write for all five senses, even if you can't remember you using. It'll create a log by which you can monitor your progress and you'll be alble to look at and saw oh so this is when this or that did or did not happen. Make sure you put down enteries regularly. Try your best to not miss attempts at astral projection. Especially if you fail to access the plains. Writting down what happened can shed light on why you attempt failed.

Self-awareness gives you self control. The more aware you are in your journies the more you should practice exerting self-control. To start this will simply like going right instead of left or looking a certain direction. But again with practice you should get better and able to do more complex things.

Can multiple episodes of sloppy astral projection over a length of time, or prolonged APs lead to fragmenting your whole personality?

Theoretically the answer is yes but only because we know so little about astral projection. The reason its unlikely is because once you've returned to your body you return to your normal state of mind. It sort of resets you back to your regular self.

I should probably give you an example, last night i had several APs almost simulataneously. Thats never happened before, and one of my personalities was a sleeping child floating in the air in a fetal position searching for a kill through slitted eyes. Its disturbing to me, because im not familiar with that aspect of myself, and here it is... a seperate me in full form, projecting. The weirdest thing is, i govern them all from a seemingly higher formless presence. Im not aware of it at the time, because when i am in a certain state i see through that specific pair of eyes, but then i follow a greater will, that is...er, me.

To me this just means you're still learning to control yourself. Indeed if you practice astral projections for 10,000 times doing nothing special you could become very adept. But to gain skill at a faster pace work on finding that self awareness and control. Anothering you can try is write a dialogue before you AP write something like this and actually say to yourself "tonight I will do thus and so", don't set the bar too high though. Only do what you think you can. So start off simple and work your way up. Yet another thing you can do is role play. Actually act out your astral journey before you do it. While its good to work yourself to become better also understand that advancement requires time. Theoretically taking your time, as much as you need, allows the mind to adjust and prevents you from doing any real harm to yourself. It also allows your mind to develope a sort of "astral maturity" that will enable you deal new situations.

COULD it be a dissociative illness?

No because you induced it. A dissociative disorder occurs without your personal control. Now on the other hand if you're obsessed with astral projection and compulsive project many times a day then its a compulsive, habitual behavior that may impact your over all life and mental health. But you don't sound like you're just enamoured by astral projection. It sounds like you are genuinely trying to learn a new skill. So at least in regards to AP I don't think you have any mental problems.

Is there a way i can reassemble myself DURING my projection?

Journal, dialogue, roleplay and practice.

I dont normally project more than once at a time...think of the me i send out as a scout, i guess...And...if it IS healthy, than should i further develop those elements of my personality?

Scouting a pretty redamentary technique for gaining information off the astral plains with out actually going there. Its sort of like bi-location. Its a good skill to learn it serves to teach the mind how to retrieve knowledge, send messages and sets the foundation for conscious AP. If you need a technique for scouting I can share mine.

in any case, no worries, i dont have this problem (if its a problem) in my waking state, just when i project. a little background information...the first half of the year is when i started to astroproject...but i never did it on purpose. I wouldnt call it natural, cuz acid, you said a number of things could be the cause. hmmmm.... Maybe if i just astrally slap myself...hehe (IMG:style_emoticons/default/doh.gif)

In all honesty it sounds like you jumped the guns on the skills necessary to affectively astral project and went straight for the technique. Most reliable litterature I've read on AP have you build up to astral projection by learning redamentary skills such as visualization, meditation, contemplation, developing an astral body and scouting. These basic skillIs develope the mind to be able to utilize projection techniques as well handle the experience. If you have not worked on these skills you should as they would greatly improve your self control while you astral project.

This post has been edited by Acid09: Mar 28 2007, 06:22 PM