QUOTE(altpath @ Oct 30 2006, 04:57 AM)
I suppose it depends on the paradigm? Or do they simply teach you how to get those things, but don't actually do it for you like a goetic would?
The Enochian beings (and the entire system) can be very self-referential and insular. Dee and Kelly lived like mystics while having their intricate conversations with angels... not medieval magi threatening spirits into obedience. Both forms of CM rely on different attitudes and ways of using magick. A different level of respect is due to Enochian beings, if only because that reinforces the paradigm. With the Goetic system, I think the master/servant approach is implicit...in both systems, the magickian identifies himself (or his authority) with God's, which makes 'mutual respect' between summoner and summoned difficut to imagine, esp in the Goetic rituals. Unless the mage deviates heavily from the text's original intention. Which is normally the way it goes..