Casual... Predecessors Options

Hello all, have you ever wandered who were the predecessors of the so-called Goetic spirits? This is due to the fact that this universe is but simply a single existence in the flow of existence, surely there would be entities that functioned in a similar role as the Goetic spirits and were their ancestors or something. Probably sound unheard of right, since few here seem to speak casually with entities, putting much seriousness into communication. Seriousness is good for many situations, though to be casual is to be at ease with those one is acquainted with.

Now, from the beginning I've started, I've never ever used any protective circles or techniques, nothing of that whatsoever in fact and somehow I still foundd the entities I want and had no harm.

I know quite a few of the Goetic entities, but I've never really "seen" them as my senses are rather how you say... dull... I can't feel much either only that I kind of "know" that something has "connected" from time to time, otherwise I wouldn't even notice and its up to those that have chose to work with me to keep me informed. Part of it may be due to having an almost null level of perception as I don't expect to see anything that conforms to human perception (absolutely none), its one of the factors for not having any kind of bias at all besides knowing that these are advanced entities of energy.

Its always better to get to the sources without pre-conceptions since they can read all your outer and inner musings in a fraction of an instant and react appropriately, some likely even know I'm writing this now. Its a little thanks to this that a small tiny bit of info was given about their so-called predecessors. A good number of them are still around in this universe... while some have chosen to go out of this existence to await the next...

Hello all, have you ever wandered who were the predecessors of the so-called Goetic spirits? This is due to the fact that this universe is but simply a single existence in the flow of existence, surely there would be entities that functioned in a similar role as the Goetic spirits and were their ancestors or something. Probably sound unheard of right, since few here seem to speak casually with entities, putting much seriousness into communication. Seriousness is good for many situations, though to be casual is to be at ease with those one is acquainted with.

Now, from the beginning I've started, I've never ever used any protective circles or techniques, nothing of that whatsoever in fact and somehow I still foundd the entities I want and had no harm.

I know quite a few of the Goetic entities, but I've never really "seen" them as my senses are rather how you say... dull... I can't feel much either only that I kind of "know" that something has "connected" from time to time, otherwise I wouldn't even notice and its up to those that have chose to work with me to keep me informed. Part of it may be due to having an almost null level of perception as I don't expect to see anything that conforms to human perception (absolutely none), its one of the factors for not having any kind of bias at all besides knowing that these are advanced entities of energy.

Its always better to get to the sources without pre-conceptions since they can read all your outer and inner musings in a fraction of an instant and react appropriately, some likely even know I'm writing this now. Its a little thanks to this that a small tiny bit of info was given about their so-called predecessors. A good number of them are still around in this universe... while some have chosen to go out of this existence to await the next...

The goetic spirits specifically are descended from many cultures. Some of their seals look like voudoun loa, while others have similar markings to other tribal and middle eastern concepts, though they weren't always referred to as 'spirits' or 'demons'.

But you're correct in musing that ultimately there are fewer powers than there are names and symbols for them. Once you've gotten familiar with a spirit, they will occaisionally - well, I say 'you' generally, but I've actually never talked to anyone else who also gets this - give you a different name than the one you originally called them with. I think that it's the publishing of that name, and the working up of seals based on personal transmission - for, in my opinion, personal use, rather than widespread dissemination through literature - from the spirit, that has begotten so many different names and seals.

You have a good perspective, and if it works for you then right on. I started with a similar view, then ultimately 'brought it down' into a more conceptual plane to the point that most spirits appeared to be anthropoid beings of varying appearances, sitting crosslegged in the circle opposite me, then took it back up into formlessness. Couldn't say whether it's the process or just the practice in any form, but they come in a lot clearer than they did when I was first starting, to the point that I sometimes feel their presence near me even when I haven't gone through all the complicated ritual element - I consider the spirits i'm familiar with to be a sort of metaphysical possy who go everywhere with me, though I can't always sense or feel them there until I turn my attention to one of them for whatever reason.

For me personally, I don't see the spirits as part of or descended from, anything other than what they are - functions of universal consciousness than transcend space, time, creation, etc. Hence we call it the Archangel Michael, Barashakushu, etc., but really the function itself is none of those labels or images, it is a natural element of Consciousness (the unlimited, divine, universal consciousness), which is through that medium naturally connected to the microcosm of your own 'limited' consciousness. In a way, the spirits and powers seem to me personally to be sort of like the connecting threads between the Micro and Macrocosm of creation.

WHen asking a spirit what it's true form is, they normally give me a speech about 'I am that I am, formless but formed' etc., Insisting almost universally that they are the discrete parts of a greater function of consciousness that exists but has no form.

As to the circle and it's necessity - some people have a knack for connecting to spirits, some people don't. People who do always seem to take their gift for granted and look down on people who use a circle and 'protection' etc. - what those people just never think about in many cases, is simply that some people need to take the steps to put themselves in the right frame of mind, they need the focusing influence of a complex ritual setting, they need to gain the sense of being beyond their physical body in order to open up a channel of communication, and of course they have to deal with a naturally occurring fear of the beyond that more and more people are born without.

It's not surprising to hear someone of your age proudly state that you have never needed a circle. Our generation has produced a slew of natural talent towards the occult. We all seem to have a particular finesse in one area or another - I still use ritual, though not a circle, to make first contact with spirits; but energy work and doing hard magick directly is like breathing to me, and always has been, I had a hard time at first, understanding why anyone needed to use correspondences, altars, etc.

However, if you haven't tried it before, then you ought to sit down sometime and work up a really complex ritual for that purpose. You might be surprised at the results. I never needed even minor rituals to do magick, but once I gave it a shot, it was like putting my magick on steroids. Now for everyday affairs I just point and click, but for major issues, I break out the toys.

If you've got a natural gift for communicating with spirits, then doing a proper summoning ritual may get you a very clear manifestation. Who knows? One of our resident mods, Bym, has a knack for manifestations, and I'll be he also has/had an easy time of talking to spirits without all the hubbub.

peace