Casual... Predecessors Options

Hello all, have you ever wandered who were the predecessors of the so-called Goetic spirits? This is due to the fact that this universe is but simply a single existence in the flow of existence, surely there would be entities that functioned in a similar role as the Goetic spirits and were their ancestors or something. Probably sound unheard of right, since few here seem to speak casually with entities, putting much seriousness into communication. Seriousness is good for many situations, though to be casual is to be at ease with those one is acquainted with.

Now, from the beginning I've started, I've never ever used any protective circles or techniques, nothing of that whatsoever in fact and somehow I still foundd the entities I want and had no harm.

I know quite a few of the Goetic entities, but I've never really "seen" them as my senses are rather how you say... dull... I can't feel much either only that I kind of "know" that something has "connected" from time to time, otherwise I wouldn't even notice and its up to those that have chose to work with me to keep me informed. Part of it may be due to having an almost null level of perception as I don't expect to see anything that conforms to human perception (absolutely none), its one of the factors for not having any kind of bias at all besides knowing that these are advanced entities of energy.

Its always better to get to the sources without pre-conceptions since they can read all your outer and inner musings in a fraction of an instant and react appropriately, some likely even know I'm writing this now. Its a little thanks to this that a small tiny bit of info was given about their so-called predecessors. A good number of them are still around in this universe... while some have chosen to go out of this existence to await the next...

Hello all, have you ever wandered who were the predecessors of the so-called Goetic spirits? This is due to the fact that this universe is but simply a single existence in the flow of existence, surely there would be entities that functioned in a similar role as the Goetic spirits and were their ancestors or something. Probably sound unheard of right, since few here seem to speak casually with entities, putting much seriousness into communication. Seriousness is good for many situations, though to be casual is to be at ease with those one is acquainted with.

Now, from the beginning I've started, I've never ever used any protective circles or techniques, nothing of that whatsoever in fact and somehow I still foundd the entities I want and had no harm.

I know quite a few of the Goetic entities, but I've never really "seen" them as my senses are rather how you say... dull... I can't feel much either only that I kind of "know" that something has "connected" from time to time, otherwise I wouldn't even notice and its up to those that have chose to work with me to keep me informed. Part of it may be due to having an almost null level of perception as I don't expect to see anything that conforms to human perception (absolutely none), its one of the factors for not having any kind of bias at all besides knowing that these are advanced entities of energy.

Its always better to get to the sources without pre-conceptions since they can read all your outer and inner musings in a fraction of an instant and react appropriately, some likely even know I'm writing this now. Its a little thanks to this that a small tiny bit of info was given about their so-called predecessors. A good number of them are still around in this universe... while some have chosen to go out of this existence to await the next...

The goetic spirits specifically are descended from many cultures. Some of their seals look like voudoun loa, while others have similar markings to other tribal and middle eastern concepts, though they weren't always referred to as 'spirits' or 'demons'.

But you're correct in musing that ultimately there are fewer powers than there are names and symbols for them. Once you've gotten familiar with a spirit, they will occaisionally - well, I say 'you' generally, but I've actually never talked to anyone else who also gets this - give you a different name than the one you originally called them with. I think that it's the publishing of that name, and the working up of seals based on personal transmission - for, in my opinion, personal use, rather than widespread dissemination through literature - from the spirit, that has begotten so many different names and seals.

You have a good perspective, and if it works for you then right on. I started with a similar view, then ultimately 'brought it down' into a more conceptual plane to the point that most spirits appeared to be anthropoid beings of varying appearances, sitting crosslegged in the circle opposite me, then took it back up into formlessness. Couldn't say whether it's the process or just the practice in any form, but they come in a lot clearer than they did when I was first starting, to the point that I sometimes feel their presence near me even when I haven't gone through all the complicated ritual element - I consider the spirits i'm familiar with to be a sort of metaphysical possy who go everywhere with me, though I can't always sense or feel them there until I turn my attention to one of them for whatever reason.

For me personally, I don't see the spirits as part of or descended from, anything other than what they are - functions of universal consciousness than transcend space, time, creation, etc. Hence we call it the Archangel Michael, Barashakushu, etc., but really the function itself is none of those labels or images, it is a natural element of Consciousness (the unlimited, divine, universal consciousness), which is through that medium naturally connected to the microcosm of your own 'limited' consciousness. In a way, the spirits and powers seem to me personally to be sort of like the connecting threads between the Micro and Macrocosm of creation.

WHen asking a spirit what it's true form is, they normally give me a speech about 'I am that I am, formless but formed' etc., Insisting almost universally that they are the discrete parts of a greater function of consciousness that exists but has no form.

As to the circle and it's necessity - some people have a knack for connecting to spirits, some people don't. People who do always seem to take their gift for granted and look down on people who use a circle and 'protection' etc. - what those people just never think about in many cases, is simply that some people need to take the steps to put themselves in the right frame of mind, they need the focusing influence of a complex ritual setting, they need to gain the sense of being beyond their physical body in order to open up a channel of communication, and of course they have to deal with a naturally occurring fear of the beyond that more and more people are born without.

It's not surprising to hear someone of your age proudly state that you have never needed a circle. Our generation has produced a slew of natural talent towards the occult. We all seem to have a particular finesse in one area or another - I still use ritual, though not a circle, to make first contact with spirits; but energy work and doing hard magick directly is like breathing to me, and always has been, I had a hard time at first, understanding why anyone needed to use correspondences, altars, etc.

However, if you haven't tried it before, then you ought to sit down sometime and work up a really complex ritual for that purpose. You might be surprised at the results. I never needed even minor rituals to do magick, but once I gave it a shot, it was like putting my magick on steroids. Now for everyday affairs I just point and click, but for major issues, I break out the toys.

If you've got a natural gift for communicating with spirits, then doing a proper summoning ritual may get you a very clear manifestation. Who knows? One of our resident mods, Bym, has a knack for manifestations, and I'll be he also has/had an easy time of talking to spirits without all the hubbub.

peace

The goetic spirits specifically are descended from many cultures. Some of their seals look like voudoun loa, while others have similar markings to other tribal and middle eastern concepts, though they weren't always referred to as 'spirits' or 'demons'.

But you're correct in musing that ultimately there are fewer powers than there are names and symbols for them. Once you've gotten familiar with a spirit, they will occaisionally - well, I say 'you' generally, but I've actually never talked to anyone else who also gets this - give you a different name than the one you originally called them with. I think that it's the publishing of that name, and the working up of seals based on personal transmission - for, in my opinion, personal use, rather than widespread dissemination through literature - from the spirit, that has begotten so many different names and seals.

You have a good perspective, and if it works for you then right on. I started with a similar view, then ultimately 'brought it down' into a more conceptual plane to the point that most spirits appeared to be anthropoid beings of varying appearances, sitting crosslegged in the circle opposite me, then took it back up into formlessness. Couldn't say whether it's the process or just the practice in any form, but they come in a lot clearer than they did when I was first starting, to the point that I sometimes feel their presence near me even when I haven't gone through all the complicated ritual element - I consider the spirits i'm familiar with to be a sort of metaphysical possy who go everywhere with me, though I can't always sense or feel them there until I turn my attention to one of them for whatever reason.

For me personally, I don't see the spirits as part of or descended from, anything other than what they are - functions of universal consciousness than transcend space, time, creation, etc. Hence we call it the Archangel Michael, Barashakushu, etc., but really the function itself is none of those labels or images, it is a natural element of Consciousness (the unlimited, divine, universal consciousness), which is through that medium naturally connected to the microcosm of your own 'limited' consciousness. In a way, the spirits and powers seem to me personally to be sort of like the connecting threads between the Micro and Macrocosm of creation.

WHen asking a spirit what it's true form is, they normally give me a speech about 'I am that I am, formless but formed' etc., Insisting almost universally that they are the discrete parts of a greater function of consciousness that exists but has no form.

As to the circle and it's necessity - some people have a knack for connecting to spirits, some people don't. People who do always seem to take their gift for granted and look down on people who use a circle and 'protection' etc. - what those people just never think about in many cases, is simply that some people need to take the steps to put themselves in the right frame of mind, they need the focusing influence of a complex ritual setting, they need to gain the sense of being beyond their physical body in order to open up a channel of communication, and of course they have to deal with a naturally occurring fear of the beyond that more and more people are born without.

It's not surprising to hear someone of your age proudly state that you have never needed a circle. Our generation has produced a slew of natural talent towards the occult. We all seem to have a particular finesse in one area or another - I still use ritual, though not a circle, to make first contact with spirits; but energy work and doing hard magick directly is like breathing to me, and always has been, I had a hard time at first, understanding why anyone needed to use correspondences, altars, etc.

However, if you haven't tried it before, then you ought to sit down sometime and work up a really complex ritual for that purpose. You might be surprised at the results. I never needed even minor rituals to do magick, but once I gave it a shot, it was like putting my magick on steroids. Now for everyday affairs I just point and click, but for major issues, I break out the toys.

If you've got a natural gift for communicating with spirits, then doing a proper summoning ritual may get you a very clear manifestation. Who knows? One of our resident mods, Bym, has a knack for manifestations, and I'll be he also has/had an easy time of talking to spirits without all the hubbub.

peace

In human terms, there's no real straight way to provide a full explanation of the nature of just a single entity. I no longer bother to calculate but just rather feel it that many are far beyond human mental comprehension in all areas, as much of the intangible (there's ever more intangible portions even in intangible energy) just cannot be described in human terms simply as the languages are not made to explain it, doing so will just lead to confusion and utter frustration. The more "knowing" entities plainly assume to roles that legends and mythos made the identities out as, so they may be more easily accessible by humans for one reason or another, usually it goes beyond simple "reason"; being simply, complex, and beyond everything at the same moment. Yet if I manages to just "click" and understand it, you can only be said to have "known" more.

Entities thus take names out of convienance, as I've found on myself by asking each and everyone directly till I got sick of it, they can readily identify each other without any sort of classification or conventions humans use, they would even know another's exact capability, history and future all in a single moment and determine how to interact. And many can do an extremely huge amount of tasks at once without diminishing their perception even by just a bit, which is why many "gods" and "demons" appear to have constant reach literally everywhere. They are not truly omi-present in the sense of the world, but rather know all that occurs in a form of "knowing". I believe most would learn this quite quickly in their practice and interaction, heck they usually just let you use the answers your inner selves provide when you interact with them if they agree with that interpretation's value.

I'm not proficient in the terms or philisophical viewpoints of how things are connected or otherwise... I'm not even going to go there... too heavy on my mind... all I can say is that one can find anything one wishes for should one understand that you have to capacity to. Everyone... everything in existence is nothing more but infinite and nothing. Oh well, I don't like duality or anything related to that much, "it is as it is" is what I just go by.

My terrible inexperience in human form to date has led me to initally accept the classification that I had a 'dragon soul' after a question posed by a friend while I was 'speaking' to Enki warranted a yes, only to eventually go into a state where I can be literally anything one chooses. Choice apparently is made by both the outer and inner selves, at times granting a sort of willpower that can only be coined as "no mind". So from this early on, I did not really care for what spirits "look" like, I would rather know the essence as opposed to some appearance made up by human perception. Thus supposedly then, according to many varying entity sources, this makes one extraordinarily hard to fool because the core essence is something that few can manage to change or disguise... that is if one can listen well enough to the subtle hints...

While riding in a bus, I kind of grumbled about how would I use bare-handed summoning without any tools, only to have one inner self, Enki and Uriel direct me to ask here to get the simplest humanly translated answer. So here I am, how do I use a manifestation type summoning without making any ritual markings or using tools other than plain hands?

The other thing was that I recalled that I did something similar in context before, though not very wittingly as it was one night where I stood by my room's window, speaking just verbally that I needed some help that was addressed to the Shinto Deity Inari before going to sleep. The next day, I woke up to find some heavy feeling inside my chest and later discovering that Inari had indeed decided to focus some attention on me because I asked of it, and it was one of the very few times where I could see through my mind's eye... strangely with eyes open all the way. A caine like thing was around there too, a messenger of 'his' according to Inari.

Well, other than that incident several months ago... I still can't see anything which now has become less important, being "blind" spiritually techically has some uses too as appearance can't deceive me, but then there's always more stuff than just that now is there.