Karma, factual?? Options

Hi all,
Well this morning i was wondering about Karma...
Let me take a cetain circumstance.
If we say all that happens to a person is due to his Karma.. So lets take it to the point of mankind when no evil was done yet.... even if this only constituted of 2 or a few individuals.. Here you would say that its the pefect crime free society. But now lets put karma into play. Say a snake comes by and tempts one individual to do a sin (i am not talking about sex as i dont consider it a sin) .lets say the sin is to kick someone and mock him...
You will say that the bad guys karma will punish him in subsequent incarnations..thats ok.. But lets go back to the time when the bad guy was kicking the weak one.. The weak one previously never made a sin.. But he suffered pain and humiliation.. Here we cant say its karma....
What is it then??? suppose the weak guy dies... What explanation do you give? He was killed cause of Karma???
cant be...

One thing is that you can say that there is free will. If the Bad one kicked, the weak one could have tried to battle against.. but still here my mind cant get to give myself an explanation to the functioning of Karma

Any ideas ????

This post has been edited by mystick: Jul 6 2006, 05:21 AM

As soon as you add another person in the picture,
there are so many variables.

Is the person who is going to be kicked and mocked,
perhaps been a kicker and a mocker in a past life?

Is the person being kicked and mocked needing some
lesson in forgiveness, or compassion, or rising above
the offenses?

How does the person getting kicked react?

Is the kicker just having a REALLY bad day, not feeling
very "evolved" and got fired from their job, their spouse
left them for the best friend, and the dog died, and they
just don't feel like being spiritual at that moment?

See what I mean? We could (IMG:style_emoticons/default/blablabla.gif) all day on the
variables.

Short and sweet, the kicker will ultimately reap karmic
debt for hurting/harming another being, and the kickee
may be working off karmic debt themselves. OR the
reverse. The Kickee is given the opportunity to choose
the RIGHT reaction, the lesson being learned, and onward
and upward they go.

How could we evolve, grow, develop and learn if there
aren't any kickers around? LOL

The Wanderer

Interesting. When one brings the topic of karma into discussion I believe one cannot help but bring its little brother along. Karmas little brother would be "reincarnation." The original question, the cause of all these replies seems to be a linear one. It assumes there has only been one universe and nothing more. Perhaps there was another just before. Perhaps the kicker was the kicked and the kicked was the kicker. Just as this reply seems to indicate. Another would be parallel universes (quantum theory) were the kicked is the kicker in another world and the kicker is the kicked in this world. The original question seems to bring the concept of karma (a buddhist/ hindu one) within the judeo-christian explanation of the universe...Genesis. The original Tripitaka (buddhist sacred texts) makes no such attempt. It does not try or claim to know the origin of the universe. What if Christ was the kicker in another world?