Casual... Predecessors Options

Hello all, have you ever wandered who were the predecessors of the so-called Goetic spirits? This is due to the fact that this universe is but simply a single existence in the flow of existence, surely there would be entities that functioned in a similar role as the Goetic spirits and were their ancestors or something. Probably sound unheard of right, since few here seem to speak casually with entities, putting much seriousness into communication. Seriousness is good for many situations, though to be casual is to be at ease with those one is acquainted with.

Now, from the beginning I've started, I've never ever used any protective circles or techniques, nothing of that whatsoever in fact and somehow I still foundd the entities I want and had no harm.

I know quite a few of the Goetic entities, but I've never really "seen" them as my senses are rather how you say... dull... I can't feel much either only that I kind of "know" that something has "connected" from time to time, otherwise I wouldn't even notice and its up to those that have chose to work with me to keep me informed. Part of it may be due to having an almost null level of perception as I don't expect to see anything that conforms to human perception (absolutely none), its one of the factors for not having any kind of bias at all besides knowing that these are advanced entities of energy.

Its always better to get to the sources without pre-conceptions since they can read all your outer and inner musings in a fraction of an instant and react appropriately, some likely even know I'm writing this now. Its a little thanks to this that a small tiny bit of info was given about their so-called predecessors. A good number of them are still around in this universe... while some have chosen to go out of this existence to await the next...

Manifesting spirits without any tools is the same as manifesting spirits with tools, you just do it without them is all. See what I mean? The application, or rather, the experience of the application, such as a formal ritual summoning with a big circle, triangle, wand, braziers, yadda yadda, resulting in a physical manifestation of some kind

I dont think this is true. I think you need the basics and that would be anough and then you can have as many other ritual items as you see fit.
First thing I ever made was my triangle. couldnt do anything without it
A couple of candles and do all the LBRP and LBRH
and draw down the sigil on a piece of parchment and thats it

you can try and you may get something or maybe not but if you go through thr process with the spirit and ask what you want
well you might just get it. I dont really go for the full physical manifestation. with the circle and the robe and wand and so on.

I dont think this is true. I think you need the basics and that would be anough and then you can have as many other ritual items as you see fit.
First thing I ever made was my triangle. couldnt do anything without it

I think for someone who's new to evocation, you'd be right.

I, personally, don't use a triangle anymore. Or candles, or any tools at all. I light incense, make an offering normally, and then call the spirit. Recently I only work with the fifty names, but I've called geotic spirits this way as well. Oh, I use the invocations, etc., but instead of a physical triangle, I establish one astrally.

You can learn what each tool feels like, and manifest those tools astrally without the actual physical tool. It does exist somewhere. THe basic rule is that for something to exist astrally, there has to be a physical counterpart. Well, there is already a physical counter part, it's drawn in the grimoire, and thousands of people have physical versions of their own that they've made. No matter what physical counterpart you use, it's the same astral function. But, the astral function is the only thing doing any work - the physical part is just a focus like any other tool.

I'm not suggesting, like I said above, that a beginner can do this. But yes, it can be done. I light incense and make an offering because I just deal with spirits that way, as allies and companions rather than servants. Some disagree on that point, but it still works for me, and the spirits I conjure are made aware that if they get things done right, and get things done fast, then I will help make them stronger. If not, then I just won't summon them anymore.

peace

Yeah I havnt been able to do that yet so Its been out of question and the ulternative was using a triangle. no once I know abit more about astral projection I think your point is true. and even someone who can lucid dream or has better dream control can do it in there sleep. but I personaly find it easier to do the evocation physicly and then do a astral one after that.

This post has been edited by scryer: May 5 2007, 02:33 AM