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post May 11 2007, 02:32 PM
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when assuming a god form does one actually take the god/deities power?
If so, can one enter the higher planes of those of the deity?





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post May 13 2007, 03:21 AM
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Just a note that on reading what I put in the previous post, when I mentioned my one experience of evocation, I meant to say invocation! Heck, confusing the two words when writing about them is an ancient magical tradition! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif) (IMG:style_emoticons/default/oops.gif)

I am interested to know what a medium's aura looks like, Bym? I recall watching a friend in a light, mediumistic trance when he was attempting to contact someone's dead grandmother (not our usual kind of thing, but we were bored and thought it would be an interesting experiment) and as far as I was able to perceive (my "sight" is never great, and wasn't particularly fired up at the time) his aura was being distended with an influx of what I can only describe as "gloopy ick", particularly around the back of the head. Does this seem congruent with the consensus opinion on the matter?

You make an interesting point about how atheists deal with Solomonic Magic. To be honest though, I never actually met a magician who is a dyed-in-the-wool atheist. I, for example, may have an issue with some Christian symbolism and doctrine (something which becomes less of an issue as I study them more and put my own neo-gnostic spin on things), but not to the degree that I am incapable of investing in it. Heck, I am even experimenting with replacing the practice of Eastern style meditative exercises with saying rosaries and novenas to various manifestations of Our Lady (particularly Our Lady of Grace...who isn't Sophia/Babalon, no really!) I figure why bother with struggling to do Eastern stuff that I am not naturally disposed to either culturally or in terms of historicity when there are actually practices within Western spiritual traditions that accomplish the same ends? So far I am pleased with the results compared to my efforts to establish good discipline in terms of more passive Eastern styles of meditation.

But I digress. To address the point, I don't think that these systems are unworkable by anyone with slightly gnostic leanings, which I would contend accounts for most practitioners, even including chaos magicians and the like. I say this based on my experiences of how people actually approach their magical work, as opposed to what they might say they believe! It simply takes a bit of time to tailor things. My own copy of the Goetia that I actually use is full of editing to make the traditional evocations and constraints as consistent with my own views as possible. If I can do it then I don't see why others can't.

I agree with the tendency of proclaimed atheists to rely on "dubious" contacts though. I think that this reliance is less problematic as the degree of attainment increases, but it can be detrimental when both this and the practitioner's general experience are perhaps not so advanced.


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