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post Dec 28 2005, 12:39 PM
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Okay, this is my system of magical invokation so please don't laugh. When ever I am working with Arch-Angels, or anything for that matter, I use my own system of ancient Hebrew-Chaldean-Sumerian language substitution. (unless otherwise instructed) Most "learned" Hebraists scoff at this method, and the pronunciations of the words, but I have found it most effective especially when dealing with old and corrupt translations found in many of the Grimoires. Recently I have been longing to work with the Necromonicon, so I started looking at some of the invocations. Here is one example;
On page 65 (in my paperback copy) there is The Conjuration Of The Fire God, this is a very loose translation, but instead of GIBIL GASHURU UMUNA YANDURU TUSHTE YESH SHIR ILLANI U MA YALKI!... I came up with, Gabal Ga-sha-war Ya-ma-wan Ya-na-ha Ta-wash Yash Sha-yar Ya-lal-han Wa Ma Yal-qa. Which roughly means: "set a boundary (about me), make a tunnel or connect (to him), make ready to destroy, to shoot arrows. There is singing, (turn it) to wailing (howling). And the locust!??! This still needs much work; it took me about an hour for these few words (not to mention the mental drain). What do you think compared to any translations any of you have come up with?
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footnote: it is possible it seems that, YESH SHIR ILLANU U MA YALKI! could also maybe have something to do with "bring wailing and lamentation to his princes and king" since in the ancient languages there was generally no punctuation, so one word could have been mistakenly seperated into many words.

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post May 20 2007, 03:18 AM
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Thank you very much Ra Hoor Khuit and Edunpanna.
Hope this will help other Nec experimenters.


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post May 20 2007, 12:09 PM
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Cliff notes.

Here are my notes on the pronunciation of the words in
pg xli - xlii
If anyone here shows interest I will go through the Nec page
by page and give my thoughts

We can not be absolutely sure how Sumerian and Akkadian were spoken; but
many useful guidelines are available to the student, including the
transliterated tablets found all over Mesopotamia. Basically, we can
offer the following principles which should prove of value in reciting
the foreign language instructions :
Vowels
a as in "father" ah Nanna Nahn-nah
e as in "whey" ey hey Enki Eyn-kee
i as in "antique" ee Inanna Ee-nahn-nah
o as in "boat" (but rarely found) 0 Ho Ho Ho Nebo Ney-bo
u as in "zulu" oo Zoo Marduk Mahr-dook <Not Marduck>
Consonants
Most are basically the same as in English. The Sumerians did not have
an alphabet as we know it, but they had developed a syllabary, very
much like the Japanese "Kana" script of today. In phonetic
transliterations, the English spelling sought to approximate the
Sumerian pronunciation. However, there are a few sounds which English
does not possess, and which have been put into phonetic variations.
Important examples below :
as in the German "ach"
CH (same as above)
Q as in "like"
K (same as above)
SH as in "shall"
SS as in, perhaps,"lasso"; a hissing "s" common to Arabic languages
Z as in "lots"; a hard "ts" sound, not quite as in "zoo"

Remember, in the transliterations which follow, every letter must be
pronounced. There are no schwas or silent syllables in Sumerian.
Hence, "KIA" is pronounced "keeya"; "KAIMANU" is pronounced
"ka-ee-mah-nu" or, if spoken rapidly, the two initial vowel sounds
slur into 'kigh' rhyming with "high"
The incantations should be said carefully and slowly at first, to
familiarise oneself with the tongue-twisting phrases. A mistake may
prove fatal to the Work


Table VII [A.C.] Table XXV [S.]
0. . . . ANU (TIAMAT)
Ahn-oo
1. Sphere of the Primum Mobile ENLIL (ABSU)
Eyn-leel
2. Sphere of the Zodiac or Fixed Stars ENKI; LUMASHI (IGIGI)
Eyn-kee
3. Sphere of Saturn ADAR
Ah-dahr
4. Sphere of Jupiter MARDUK
Mahr-dook
5. Sphere of Mars NERGAL
Neyr-gahl
6. Sphere of the Sun UTU
Oot-oo
7. Sphere of Venus INANNA
Een-ahn-nah
8. Sphere of Mercury NEBO
Ney-boh <o as in bow>
9. Sphere of the Moon NANNA
Nahn-nah
10. Sphere of the Elements KIA
kee-ah or keeyah
11. Air ANNA
Ahn-nah
12. Mercury GUDUD
Goo-dood
13. Moon SIN
Seen
14. Venus DLIBAT
Dlee-baht
15. Aries AGRU (XUBUR)
Ahg-roo
16. Taurus KAKKAB U ALAP SHAME (KINGU)
Kahk-kahb 00 ahl-ahp shah-mey
17. Gemini RE'U KINU SHAME U TU'AME RABUTI (VIPER)
Rey-oo Keen-oo shah-mey oo too-ahm-ey rah-boo-tee
18. Cancer SHITTU (SNAKE)
Sheet-too
19. Leo KALBU RABU (LAKHAMU)
kahl-boo rah-boo
20. Virgo SHIRU (WHIRLWIND)
Shee-roo
21. Jupiter UMUNPADDU
Oom-oon-pahd-doo
22. Libra ZIBANITUM (Ravening Dog)
Tzee-bahn-eet-oom
23. Water BADUR
Bahd-oor
24. Scorpio AKRABU (SCORPION-MAN)
Ahk-rah-boo
25. Sagittarius PA-BIL-SAG (HURRICANE)
Pah-beel-sahG
26. Capricorn SUXUR MASH (FISH-MAN)
Soox-oor Mah-sh
27. Mars MASTABARRU
Mahs-tah-bahr-roo
28. Aquarius GULA (HORNED BEAST)
Gool-ah
29. Pisces DILGAN U RIKIS NUNI (WEAPON)
Deel-Gahn
30. Sun SHAMASH
Shah-mah-sh
30. Fire AG
AhG
30. Saturn KAIMANU
Kah-ee-mah-noo
30. (bis) Earth KIA
Kee-ah or Keeyah
30. (bis) Spirit ZI
Tzee or

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Pronunciation continued. As there has been some questions in the
group regarding pronunciation I hope this helps.

COMMON SUMERIAN WORDS AND PHRASES IN ENGLISH
Sumerian English
Akhkharu Vampire
Ahk-hk-hah-roo
Alal Destroyer
Ahl-ahl
Alla Xul Evil God
Allah Ahk-ool
Barra! Begone!
Bahr-rah
Dingir Xul Evil God
Deen-Geer
Edin Na Zu! Go to the Desert! (a form of exorcism)
Ey-deen Nah tzoo!
Gelal Incubus Gey-lahl
Gigim xul Evil Spirit
Geeg-eem ahk-ool
Gidim Xul Evil Ghost
Geed-eem Ahk-ool
Idimmu Demon
Eed-eem-moo
Idpa Fever
Eed-pah
Kashshaptu Witch
Kahsh-shahP-too
Lalartu Phantom
Lahl-ahr-too
Lalssu Spectre
Lahl-ssoo
Lilit Succubus
Lee-leet <Lilith the Queen of vampires>
Maskim Xul Evil Fiend (Ambusher, Lier-In-Wait)
Mahs-keem Ahk-ool
Mulla Xul Evil Devil
Mool-lah Ahk-ool
Rabishu (same as Maskim Xul)
Rah-beesh-oo
Telal Wicked Demon (Warrior)
Tey-lahl
Uggae God of Death
OoG-Gah-ey
Uruku Larvae
Oor-ook-koo
Utuk Xul Evil Spirit
Oot-ook Ahk-ool
Zi Dingir Anna Kanpa! Spirit, God of the Sky, Remember!
Tzee den-geer ahn-nah kahn-Pah!
Zi Dingir Kia Kanpa!
Tzee deen-geer kee-ah kahn-pah!


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ominous   Pronunciation / Translations   Dec 28 2005, 12:39 PM
smasher666   Okay, this is my system of magical invokation so p...   Jul 7 2006, 02:05 PM
Marquis DeSade   Hello... While I know this would be a difficult t...   Dec 4 2006, 10:58 AM
Seraphim   Greetings, Yes, i definitely think there woul...   Dec 4 2006, 05:29 PM
distillate   I have translated most of the Necronomicon to akka...   Dec 4 2006, 08:12 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings! I'm not that knowledgeable whe...   Dec 4 2006, 08:34 PM
Seraphim   greetings, Distilliate, sweet. Please share som...   Dec 4 2006, 09:02 PM
distillate   greetings, Distilliate, sweet. Please share som...   Dec 8 2006, 01:08 PM
Faustopheles   Greetings, I keep chiming in on your posts becaus...   Dec 8 2006, 03:27 PM
distillate   One last thing: Have you tried transliterating the...   Dec 8 2006, 03:54 PM
Seraphim   Greetings, Here is a site with an extensive ...   Dec 8 2006, 04:56 PM
Xence   Greetings! I don't know if this has alrea...   May 19 2007, 03:54 AM
Edunpanna   Greetings! I don't know if this has alrea...   May 19 2007, 03:39 PM
Ra Hoor Khuit   G is like in Give.Giggimaganpa well the Giggi part...   May 19 2007, 04:29 AM
DarkGoddess   :goodposting:   May 20 2007, 05:08 PM
Penny_Lane   I've been mispronouncing "xul" for y...   May 21 2007, 06:53 AM
Ra Hoor Khuit   No one actually knows the exact pronounciation of ...   May 21 2007, 08:21 AM

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