Need Some Advice On My Evocations - Mepsitahl, mepsitahl Options

well Ive done another evocation tonight of Mepsitahl. and I did the full LBRP and hexegram and I used the goetia evocation. the full lot. and the most I get is a brief flash of her from a recollection I had of another time I did it and was messing around and got full view of her., beyond the mirror just after the evocation when the energy is strong after that i see no sign of her. and then I hear laughing? what gives ? ( and this happens everytime I do an evocation regardless of spirit) and then I hear like voices like someone having a conversation in the background but I cant make any sense of it. (I could be trying to hard to hear something and I do that to help manifest a voice. and then just random stuff happens in my mirror like normal scrying and there is no communication. I dont know if that is anough to say the welcome and I cant even check the identity. Is it because she is a fictional spirit? Im pretty new. only a couple years so does anyone have any advice I can try for next time? any help would be much apprecated. thank you

well Ive done another evocation tonight of Mepsitahl. and I did the full LBRP and hexegram and I used the goetia evocation. the full lot. and the most I get is a brief flash of her from a recollection I had of another time I did it and was messing around and got full view of her., beyond the mirror just after the evocation when the energy is strong after that i see no sign of her. and then I hear laughing? what gives ? ( and this happens everytime I do an evocation regardless of spirit) and then I hear like voices like someone having a conversation in the background but I cant make any sense of it. (I could be trying to hard to hear something and I do that to help manifest a voice. and then just random stuff happens in my mirror like normal scrying and there is no communication. I dont know if that is anough to say the welcome and I cant even check the identity. Is it because she is a fictional spirit? Im pretty new. only a couple years so does anyone have any advice I can try for next time? any help would be much apprecated. thank you

Perhaps you could try it without the mirror.

Are you using the triangle and circle? Did you perform the invocation of the bornless fire before the evocation?

Most times I found I can get no more than a seething black mass inside the triangle (physical), that's after 2 or 3 hours - it takes a long time (but it doesn't feel long when you're actually doing it). How I do this is the preliminary evocation from the goetia around 5 times, each time followed by my own evocation that I make up on the spot, then followed by the secondary evocation if necessary with my own evocation after each, etc - you need to yield yourself to the words and not just read them dryly, it's like sex. Vibrating the names of the circle and triangle after the invocation of the bornless fire seems to work quite well, too.

I think you need to get a better hold on manifesting the spirit first before attempting communication, if the spirit is clear to you then naturally it's much easier to ask of it to speak intelligibly and clearly.

You may find it helpful to meditate a half hour before the ritual, or you could see how your sexual energies influence the ritual by abstaining for a week, or you could try it after smoking cannabis, or you could try performing the ritual while deprived of sleep, there's loads of different things you can try - experiment and see how these states of consciousness effect, perhaps enhance, your work.

Tell us how it goes!

This post has been edited by Zugzwang: May 22 2007, 06:32 AM