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post May 17 2007, 05:43 PM
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Have you ever placed the Pazuzu sigil over the picture on the image of the Pazuzu statue?

Try and you will see that the sigil is based on its shape and marks out its head, wings, arm, legs and feet. I would say this sigil is a sigilic drawing of the Pazuzu statue. The Humwawa sigil is also based on the traditional face of Humbaba.

Interesting.



(IMG:http://ancestors.blox.pl/resource/pazuzu1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasen01/texts/pazuzu.gif)





(IMG:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasen01/texts/humwawa.gif) (IMG:http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/HL/images/Humbaba-face.gif)

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post May 27 2007, 05:56 PM
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Hello Sephiroth,

Well, the thing is that outside the movie "The Exorcist" and the Necronomicon of Simon Pazuzu was actually never "fallen". Within the ancient texts he is NOT described as a "Satan". He is just one of the more harmful gods, but he was not an enemy of the other gods and he was never banished by the rest of the gods.

So my point is actually that Pazuzu within his original spiritual context was NOT one of the Ancient Ones. He was not one of the Dark Gods, spawned by Hubur (Wrathful Tiamat).

That is the whole point. Because of modern ideas he have come to be viewed as a Demonic and Evil god, but if you think about it you will see that he actually was a powerful shield against the Evil Goddess Lamashtu. So he should not be counted as one of the Dark Gods of Chaos.

The same can be said about Ereshkigal and Nergal, they rule the underworld/realm of the dead, yes, but they have nothing to do with Tiamat. They are, according to the original sources about Babylonian mythos, just like all other cosmic gods and served their own ordained purpose.

In Necronomicon Ereshkigal is somehow linked to Tiamat and the forces of Chaos. This is not correct! Ereshkigal is actually very similar to the Hellenic goddess Persephone. They rule over the Chthonic kingdom of the dead, but they are NOT viewed as "Satanic" or "Anti-cosmic".

The Christian concept of good and evil did not exist, and many of the "good" gods had destructive aspects and attributes. That does not make them the same as the Ancient Ones (forces of Chaos and anti-creation).

Actually beside the Simonomicon (and the movie The Exorcist) there are no other older sources that describe Pazuzu as an Evil God who serve the forcess of Chaos/Tiamat.

Xastur is the Lovecraftian Hastur, so there are no ancient statues or images representing him, as he did not exist before lovercraft made him (or at least his name) up.

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post May 28 2007, 09:36 AM
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QUOTE(scorpionis @ May 27 2007, 07:56 PM) *
The same can be said about Ereshkigal and Nergal, they rule the underworld/realm of the dead, yes, but they have nothing to do with Tiamat. They are, according to the original sources about Babylonian mythos, just like all other cosmic gods and served their own ordained purpose.

In Necronomicon Ereshkigal is somehow linked to Tiamat and the forces of Chaos. This is not correct! Ereshkigal is actually very similar to the Hellenic goddess Persephone. They rule over the Chthonic kingdom of the dead, but they are NOT viewed as "Satanic" or "Anti-cosmic".

Yes, very much so. people tend to link god(esses) of the dead as evil. Not so, they simply rule a sphere or domain that is a bit darker than the others. They are also seen as evil because part of their role is that of punisher. It's a dirty job, but somebody has to do it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/00000047.gif)

QUOTE(scorpionis @ May 27 2007, 07:56 PM) *
Xastur is the Lovecraftian Hastur, so there are no ancient statues or images representing him, as he did not exist before lovercraft made him (or at least his name) up.


Not true. She is very real. The Simon Necronomicon may describe her much like Lovecraft's Hastur, but let's just say that is inaccurate. She seems closely linked to Lilit in type and personality, but serves a different role in Ereshkigal's scheme of things than does Lilit.


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To these I turn, in these I trust;
Brother Lead and Sister Steel.
To his blind power I make appeal;
I guard her beauty clean from rust.

He spins and burns and loves the air,
And splits a skull to win my praise;
But up the nobly marching days
She glitters naked, cold and fair.

Sweet Sister, grant your soldier this;
That in good fury he may feel
The body where he sets his heel
Quail from your downward darting kiss.

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scorpionis   Pazuzu Sigil   May 17 2007, 05:43 PM
DarkGoddess   Interesting. Very interesting. Where did you find...   May 17 2007, 06:27 PM
scorpionis   Just online. They ar common pictures. For about 1...   May 17 2007, 07:36 PM
Edunpanna   Kinda makes you wonder why the sigil is not like t...   May 18 2007, 06:10 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   Kinda makes you wonder why the sigil is not like t...   May 18 2007, 06:56 PM
scorpionis   Well, a sigil of a picture does not follow the lin...   May 18 2007, 06:58 AM
Gemini23   interesting   May 18 2007, 08:45 AM
Eabatu   Ive always saw Pazuzus seal as a representative of...   May 18 2007, 02:54 PM
scorpionis   Well, if you study the role that Pazuzu had within...   May 18 2007, 04:32 PM
Darkside099   Well, if you study the role that Pazuzu had within...   May 28 2007, 02:19 AM
blackcat   :goodposting:   May 18 2007, 10:12 PM
scorpionis   So you do not think that the Humwawa sigil is base...   May 19 2007, 08:54 PM
Edunpanna   Greetings 'scorpionis', Well it squirtant...   May 20 2007, 03:00 AM
scorpionis   Greetings, Well, historically Pazuzu did not have...   May 20 2007, 08:35 AM
Sephiroth   Hi All! Interesting topic! I would say th...   May 27 2007, 05:26 PM
Imperial Arts   Does anyone here actually sincerely believe that t...   May 28 2007, 02:15 AM
Darkside099   I thank you all because while I was reading all th...   May 28 2007, 02:55 AM
Ashnook   In Necronomicon Ereshkigal is somehow linked to Ti...   May 28 2007, 10:01 AM
scorpionis   Okay, to start with I must say that when I comment...   May 28 2007, 01:22 PM
Ashnook   Okay, to start with I must say that when I comment...   May 28 2007, 03:54 PM
scorpionis   Could it then be that the writer of the Necronomic...   May 28 2007, 01:44 PM
Nosotro Tehuti   Greetings Scorpionis, I'm glad to some real ...   May 28 2007, 02:17 PM
scorpionis   Hello, You have totally misunderstood me! I ...   May 28 2007, 02:29 PM
Nosotro Tehuti   Greetings, ahh Ok. cool. My bad then. peace   May 28 2007, 02:39 PM
DarkGoddess   :goodposting: Nosotro Tehuti, damn fine posting ...   May 28 2007, 02:42 PM
scorpionis   Yes, but you understood what I wanted to point out...   May 28 2007, 03:02 PM
Darkside099   [quote name='scorpionis' date='May 28 ...   May 29 2007, 01:11 AM
scorpionis   I think we can have good conversations, yes. And ...   May 28 2007, 06:22 PM
scorpionis   You seem to be full of shit. Is this some kind o...   May 29 2007, 05:42 AM
Ashnook   You seem to be full of shit. Is this some kind o...   May 29 2007, 05:35 PM
Angel Watcher   You seem to be full of shit. Is this some kind o...   Jul 3 2007, 04:16 AM
DarkGoddess   :roflmao:   May 29 2007, 03:01 PM
Nosotro Tehuti   Greetings, Scorpionis, come on now. There is ...   May 29 2007, 03:24 PM
Darkside099   Greetings, Scorpionis, come on now. There is ...   May 30 2007, 02:45 AM
scorpionis   Sorry, but I have a very hard time believing all t...   May 29 2007, 05:54 PM
Darkside099   Sorry, but I have a very hard time believing all t...   May 30 2007, 03:01 AM
Ashnook   The people who died and that girl with the broken ...   May 30 2007, 03:57 AM
scorpionis   Ok you really made me like this: :shoot2: :rant...   May 30 2007, 07:48 AM

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