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post May 17 2007, 05:43 PM
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Have you ever placed the Pazuzu sigil over the picture on the image of the Pazuzu statue?

Try and you will see that the sigil is based on its shape and marks out its head, wings, arm, legs and feet. I would say this sigil is a sigilic drawing of the Pazuzu statue. The Humwawa sigil is also based on the traditional face of Humbaba.

Interesting.



(IMG:http://ancestors.blox.pl/resource/pazuzu1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasen01/texts/pazuzu.gif)





(IMG:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasen01/texts/humwawa.gif) (IMG:http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/HL/images/Humbaba-face.gif)

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post May 28 2007, 01:22 PM
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Okay, to start with I must say that when I comment the necronomicon I comment the whole book, from the first page of the book to the last. For I am convinced that the author of the introduction of the book is also the author that has put together the Necronomicon text. I guess I am talking about "Simon".

This does NOT make the book useless in my opinion, but fact is fact and I will give him credit for putting together a great and interesting synthesis between Babylonian mythology (Enuma Elish is Babylonian creation myth, not Sumerian) and the Lovecraftian mythos. The system WORKS, but that does not mean that the book is historically authentic. All myths and magical systems are created by man, sometimes guided by the inspiration given from the Gods. So just because Simon created the version of the Necronomicon we talk about it does not mean that its magic is without power.

With that being said I return to the topic and point out the text on page xviii, xix and xxiii of the introduction chapter. In these pages you can see how the author connects the Chthonic to Kutulu and therefore also Chaos/Tiamat. He identifies Kutulu with Absu and because of that the Man of Kuta becomes, within that context, the male ruler of Chaotic forces. On page xxiii you can read:

"...For she descended into the Underworld and defeated her sister, the Goddess of the Abyss, Queen ERESHKIGAL (possibly another name for TIAMAT)."

On page 161 of the book you can read:

"...So that the strike ringeth out
And call TIAMAT from Her slumber
From her sleep in the Caverns Of the Earth."

The "Caverns of the Earth" is the chthonic realm (the underworld), and this is again something that points out Tiamat as the Queen of the Underworld. This is also something that you can not find in the original Babylonian myth about Tiamat.

On page 161 you can also read about "Of the Generations of the Ancient Ones" and in that part of the text you can see that the Utuku Limnuti are mentioned together with PAZUZU. First you can read that they are all "In the creation of Anu spawned" and on page 162 you can again read that they "Are children of the Earth that in the creation of Anu were spawned, but on page 165, in the end of the "Of the Generations of the Ancient Ones" you can read that all the Underworld spirits named earlier in the text are:

"...At their Mother's breast
At the Foundation of CHAOS
In the Araliya of Mumu-TIAMAT
And at the Gates of Iak Sakkak"

This clearly points out the underworld spirit (The Seven and Pazuzu, but also all other spirits and ghosts that are mentioned in the parts of the text I have pointed out) as "Of the Generations of the Ancient Ones" and their Mother is named as Mumu-Tiamat.

So this is what I base my earlier comment upon. Simonomicon, from my perspective, places Tiamat in the realm of Ereshkigal and identifies Ereshkigals servants/demons/ghosts/vampires and gods as the children of Chaos. This is not something that can be found within the traditional Babylonian mythology and religion.

And this was what I pointed out before.

On page 174 of the necronomicon you can again read how :

"ERESHKIGAL rejoiced.
Blind AZAG-THOTH rejoiced
iAK SAKKAK rejoiced.
ISHNIGGARAB rejoiced.
KUTULU rejoiced..."

This clearly places Ereshkigal amongst the Ancient Ones and shows how they are by her side and celebrate her Victory. The only one not named is Tiamat herself and one could argue that this is because Ereshkigal herself is viewed as a manifestation of Tiamat. But what is made VERY clear is that Ereshkigal is placed as one of the members of the group of dark gods that Azag-Thot, Iak Sakkak, Ishniggarab and Kutulu belong to. And this is what I pointed out.

Pazuzu is not "prince of cup-cakes", no. But he is not of the "generation of the Ancient Ones" either.

I am not saying that these forces are to be played around with. And I am not saying that they do not have very dark/destructive function. What I am saying is that the Ancient Ones are the Forces of Anti-creation (pro-Chaos) and the Underworld gods and spirits are NOT!

Also this talk about having Pazuzu killing people right and left, to be honest I am not sure what I believe about that kind of talk. If you kill through magic the first thing you learn is to keep silent about it. But that is off topic.

Hope I have made clear what I meant in my earlier post about the above mentioned subject.

About Persephone and Ereshkigal, you do not see the similarity between the FUNCTION of Nergal/Hades and Ereshkigal/Persephone? But that is not really important in the present discussion.

Also you have to pardon my poor English.

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scorpionis   Pazuzu Sigil   May 17 2007, 05:43 PM
DarkGoddess   Interesting. Very interesting. Where did you find...   May 17 2007, 06:27 PM
scorpionis   Just online. They ar common pictures. For about 1...   May 17 2007, 07:36 PM
Edunpanna   Kinda makes you wonder why the sigil is not like t...   May 18 2007, 06:10 AM
Vagrant Dreamer   Kinda makes you wonder why the sigil is not like t...   May 18 2007, 06:56 PM
scorpionis   Well, a sigil of a picture does not follow the lin...   May 18 2007, 06:58 AM
Gemini23   interesting   May 18 2007, 08:45 AM
Eabatu   Ive always saw Pazuzus seal as a representative of...   May 18 2007, 02:54 PM
scorpionis   Well, if you study the role that Pazuzu had within...   May 18 2007, 04:32 PM
Darkside099   Well, if you study the role that Pazuzu had within...   May 28 2007, 02:19 AM
blackcat   :goodposting:   May 18 2007, 10:12 PM
scorpionis   So you do not think that the Humwawa sigil is base...   May 19 2007, 08:54 PM
Edunpanna   Greetings 'scorpionis', Well it squirtant...   May 20 2007, 03:00 AM
scorpionis   Greetings, Well, historically Pazuzu did not have...   May 20 2007, 08:35 AM
Sephiroth   Hi All! Interesting topic! I would say th...   May 27 2007, 05:26 PM
scorpionis   Hello Sephiroth, Well, the thing is that outside ...   May 27 2007, 05:56 PM
Imperial Arts   Does anyone here actually sincerely believe that t...   May 28 2007, 02:15 AM
DarkGoddess   The same can be said about Ereshkigal and Nergal, ...   May 28 2007, 09:36 AM
Darkside099   I thank you all because while I was reading all th...   May 28 2007, 02:55 AM
Ashnook   In Necronomicon Ereshkigal is somehow linked to Ti...   May 28 2007, 10:01 AM
Ashnook   Okay, to start with I must say that when I comment...   May 28 2007, 03:54 PM
scorpionis   Could it then be that the writer of the Necronomic...   May 28 2007, 01:44 PM
Nosotro Tehuti   Greetings Scorpionis, I'm glad to some real ...   May 28 2007, 02:17 PM
scorpionis   Hello, You have totally misunderstood me! I ...   May 28 2007, 02:29 PM
Nosotro Tehuti   Greetings, ahh Ok. cool. My bad then. peace   May 28 2007, 02:39 PM
DarkGoddess   :goodposting: Nosotro Tehuti, damn fine posting ...   May 28 2007, 02:42 PM
scorpionis   Yes, but you understood what I wanted to point out...   May 28 2007, 03:02 PM
Darkside099   [quote name='scorpionis' date='May 28 ...   May 29 2007, 01:11 AM
scorpionis   I think we can have good conversations, yes. And ...   May 28 2007, 06:22 PM
scorpionis   You seem to be full of shit. Is this some kind o...   May 29 2007, 05:42 AM
Ashnook   You seem to be full of shit. Is this some kind o...   May 29 2007, 05:35 PM
Angel Watcher   You seem to be full of shit. Is this some kind o...   Jul 3 2007, 04:16 AM
DarkGoddess   :roflmao:   May 29 2007, 03:01 PM
Nosotro Tehuti   Greetings, Scorpionis, come on now. There is ...   May 29 2007, 03:24 PM
Darkside099   Greetings, Scorpionis, come on now. There is ...   May 30 2007, 02:45 AM
scorpionis   Sorry, but I have a very hard time believing all t...   May 29 2007, 05:54 PM
Darkside099   Sorry, but I have a very hard time believing all t...   May 30 2007, 03:01 AM
Ashnook   The people who died and that girl with the broken ...   May 30 2007, 03:57 AM
scorpionis   Ok you really made me like this: :shoot2: :rant...   May 30 2007, 07:48 AM

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