Pazuzu Sigil Options

Have you ever placed the Pazuzu sigil over the picture on the image of the Pazuzu statue?

Try and you will see that the sigil is based on its shape and marks out its head, wings, arm, legs and feet. I would say this sigil is a sigilic drawing of the Pazuzu statue. The Humwawa sigil is also based on the traditional face of Humbaba.

Interesting.



(IMG:http://ancestors.blox.pl/resource/pazuzu1.jpg) (IMG:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasen01/texts/pazuzu.gif)





(IMG:http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~jasen01/texts/humwawa.gif) (IMG:http://www.cs.utk.edu/~mclennan/BA/HL/images/Humbaba-face.gif)

This post has been edited by scorpionis: May 17 2007, 05:44 PM

Greetings Scorpionis,
I'm glad to some real theological discussion returning to the Necronomicon forum.
Okay, to Pazuzu momentarily. First, Tiamat as Ereshkigal.
I'm going to have to disagree with that one for a few reasons.
Firstly, Ereshkigal is described in Babylonian texts as being the Older sister of Inanna/Ishtar. If she were a manifestation of Tiamat, then her role would fall to a motherly/grandmotherly context, since she spawned the first Elder Gods and then they in turn created Ishtar, Shammash, Ninurta ,Ereshkigal etc. etc..
Also, using the fact that she is Queen of the Underworld as a reason why she is an ancient is misguided. The Underworld lies on the cusp of the Outside, touching it's Gates of Chaos. But it is not the Outside, nor the dwelling place of the Ancient Ones.
Ganzir is itself a representation of the Foundation. Ganzir lays below the Abzu, which is below the Material realm and so forth, going up. In that, it is defined as part of the structure of what Marduk created when he tore Tiamat in two. However, the Ancients were locked away, OUTSIDE of that structure. So defining Ganzir as the Outside is technically antithetical to the term itself.
As to my point about the 'generations' and Tiamat being different than Ereshkigal based on the Inanna connection.
TIAMAT mothered the Elder Gods LAHMU and LAHAMU (those of mud), which was also a title given to the gatekeepers at the ENKI temple in Eridu.
LAHMU and LAHAMU were the parents of the axis or pivot of the heavens ANSHAR, from An/ heaven, Shar / axle or pivot, and the earth Kishar. ANSHAR and KISHAR were said to come together on the horizon, becoming thereby the parents of ANU and KI.
TIAMAT was the "shining" personification of salt water. She and APSU filled the cosmic abyss with the primeval waters. She is UMMU-HUBBUR who formed all things.
Ereshkigal is a migthy Queen and Just Ruler, but surely not such a creator. To make her a manifestation of TIAMAT would mean she both gave birth to the parents of ANU and then was also his granddaughter.
Lastly is the death of TIAMAT at the hands of Marduk.

And the lord stood upon Tiamat's hinder parts,
And with his merciless club he smashed her skull.
He cut through the channels of her blood,
And he made the North wind bear it away into secret places.
Slicing Tiamat in half, he made from her ribs the vault of heaven and earth.
Her weeping eyes became the source of the Tigris and the Euphrates.
So in effect, Tiamat is the is the flesh of that whole Ganzir/Abzu/Material structure. Not just the ruling queen of one of it's divisions.
Oh, and Ereshkigal as Persephone? Nah. Persephone was abducted by Hades and forced to be his bride. Ereshkigal was the Queen of Hell long before she met Nergal. So, no disrespect to Mighty Nergal, but in that context he's more like Persephone that Ereshkigal is.lol

You wrote,;
"...So that the strike ringeth out
And call TIAMAT from Her slumber
From her sleep in the Caverns Of the Earth."
The "Caverns of the Earth" is the chthonic realm (the underworld), and this is again something that points out Tiamat as the Queen of the Underworld. This is also something that you can not find in the original Babylonian myth about Tiamat.

No, the 'caverns of the earth' are not the underworld. The 'caverns of the earth' in that stanza is a metaphor for the Binding of the Ancient ones by the Elder Gods. Just as demons are banished by saying 'go to the desert/ barra edin nazu.

And lastly on Ereshkigal/Tiamat. You stated;
"I am not saying that these forces are to be played around with. And I am not saying that they do not have very dark/destructive function. What I am saying is that the Ancient Ones are the Forces of Anti-creation (pro-Chaos) and the Underworld gods and spirits are NOT!"
Well, please clarify here. You state that Ereshkigal (a goddess of the underworld) is Tiamat, the Mother of Anti-Creation. Yet in that quote, you state that the underworld deities and spirits are not ancient ones. Do believe her to be Tiamat, an ancient one, or not?

As for Pazuzzu, I actually agree. He's a dark, manipulative bastard, but not evil. Much like the aforementioned Nergal. Both are feared but respected entities of disease. Both are arrogant jerks (joke,lol). But neither are evil. I agree that Pazuzzu is essentially filling a role.
As Ashnook said, he's a deity representing balance. Giver and taker of life. Play with him at your own risk.
Peace,
Nosotro Tehuti.