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Fio Praeter Humanus
post May 11 2007, 09:04 AM
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The LRP, the GRP, and the SPR seem to come up over and over again. I consider these foundational rituals and even those who do not use them at least started this path with the study of them. Yet there seems every month another question about them and from the questions there seems to be a lot of misunderstanding out there.

It has been suggested to me that I should write up a class at least on the lesser pentagram ritual but I am unable to do so for various reasons. Mainly much of the nitty gritty elements and inner energy work with the vibrations and all I learned through membership in my order and due to my oath I cannot discuss them. So in essence if I did in fact write a class it would be pretty much what is already written and diluted enough that there would be no point.

But it occurs to me that I might be able to answer specific questions that anyone might have. Obviously I will answer them as best as I can and if it encroaches upon my oath I will just dance around it or just not answer the question. It is a pain but it is the best I can do.

So if anyone has anything they have always wanted to know about any of the pentagram rituals then go ahead and ask.


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animus
post Jun 3 2007, 12:03 PM
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I have a few simple(?) questions:

When doing the sign of silence, why do you stamp your foot when you go back from the sign of the enterer (As it says in the ritual magick manual from GD)

Also, about drawing a circle, i figure you can either draw one, or not, but what is the differnce in not doing so?
When dealing with elements my guess is that when you draw a line you create a circle and banish/invoke within that line, and when not doing it, you banish/invoke as far as you(r aura?) can reach?
And what is the difference in drawing it when dealing with elementals and with the LBRP as it isnt really a banishing ritual per say?
I guess the circle is also some sort of protection for yourself, but i can't wrap my mind around it at the moment. Would be happy for a reply on this.


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post Jun 4 2007, 10:17 AM
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QUOTE(animus @ Jun 3 2007, 02:03 PM) *
I have a few simple(?) questions:

When doing the sign of silence, why do you stamp your foot when you go back from the sign of the enterer (As it says in the ritual magick manual from GD)

That is the way the sign is expressed. In practical terms it acts to ground out the energy rebounding back at you initiated from the attacking sign.

QUOTE(animus @ Jun 3 2007, 02:03 PM) *
Also, about drawing a circle, i figure you can either draw one, or not, but what is the differnce in not doing so?
When dealing with elements my guess is that when you draw a line you create a circle and banish/invoke within that line, and when not doing it, you banish/invoke as far as you(r aura?) can reach?
And what is the difference in drawing it when dealing with elementals and with the LBRP as it isnt really a banishing ritual per say?
I guess the circle is also some sort of protection for yourself, but i can't wrap my mind around it at the moment. Would be happy for a reply on this.

Drawing the circle helps fortify your sphere of sensation. Over time it greatly strengthens it.


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QUOTE(Nero @ Jun 4 2007, 11:17 AM) *
Drawing the circle helps fortify your sphere of sensation. Over time it greatly strengthens it.


Great answers as always, what does it mean if i don't draw the circle tho? (Or is this one of these skipping around the answers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif))


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QUOTE(animus @ Jun 4 2007, 04:36 PM) *
Great answers as always, what does it mean if i don't draw the circle tho? (Or is this one of these skipping around the answers? (IMG:style_emoticons/default/13.gif))


Why would you not want to? Symbolically not completing the circle leaves gaps and holes in your defenses. As I said earlier the Pentagram ritual is a banishing ritual but goes in a round about way. It produces equilibrium system wide so nothing unbalanced can exist. If a severe imbalance already exists it helps to resolve it in time.

The LBRP can be compared to a magical vitamin. It produces equilibrium which is critical to all work. It strengthens and builds up the sphere of sensation, opens up the astral senses, and cleanses the subtle bodies. A single or sporadic use of it is like a drop in a bucket but performed over time the effect is realized as well as imprinting upon your aura the pentagram and divine names. These are of course only the direct effects, indirectly the performance teaches many critical skills in ritual procedure, energy manipulation, and astral senses.

The ritual has been used for over a hundred years now. It is the first ritual usually learned by a new comer to magick. Most times it is the first one they want to change to "make better" or 'improve" it some how without really ever understanding it or allowing time for the effects to become apparent in the first place. You can find a hundred and one different variations on it but on a long enough time line everyone seems to come back to the original rite, because very simply it works and works well.


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QUOTE(Nero @ Jun 5 2007, 11:02 AM) *
The ritual has been used for over a hundred years now. It is the first ritual usually learned by a new comer to magick. Most times it is the first one they want to change to "make better" or 'improve" it some how without really ever understanding it or allowing time for the effects to become apparent in the first place. You can find a hundred and one different variations on it but on a long enough time line everyone seems to come back to the original rite, because very simply it works and works well.


Hmmm... I get ya. Not sure 'bout those either, if I was more daring i'd give it a try for a while but I'm weary in regards to things like this. Works well as it is, its just the placing of the elements seemed to make sence. I mean, why is water opposite air and how does water relate to the sunsetting rather than earth? Its good to question things.

Not sure about others or if its a case of becoming accustomed to the energies involved but I have noticed my success rate seems a bit off. Have to admit I haven't felt the intellectual effect of the MP for a while or aquired the, 'voice' kind of state if u know what I mean. Is that normal? My rituals are good but it seems to have left me feeling lacklustered in regards, if you see my point. Was doing nothing different then I don't think.

Also... Fear. Its only one's self one is afraid of, nothing bad is going to happen, fear in its self is a sence, a warning signal, heightened awareness as fight or flight kicks in but yeesh! How do you overcome fear in a ritual? It dampens the practice as it makes (me personally) tone down the ritual in a animal like flight response... even then the LBRP etc are 'measly' when thinking about some of the other invoking rituals with other dieties involved so its obviously something that needs to be overcome.

.lol. Am now wondering what secrets could be hidden in all this.

Is there a best time to practice understanding planetary hours?

Can't 'things' get under the pents? Shouldn't there be a pent on the floor?

What colour robe is best? .lol.

Is it best to use IAO or Eloah v daath?

How important is a magikal motto?

What have you noticed has changed about yourself in your continued practice of the LBRP and other rituals?

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QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 5 2007, 06:18 PM) *
Hmmm... I get ya. Not sure 'bout those either, if I was more daring i'd give it a try for a while but I'm weary in regards to things like this. Works well as it is, its just the placing of the elements seemed to make sence. I mean, why is water opposite air and how does water relate to the sunsetting rather than earth? Its good to question things.

Because air is active and water is passive, same as fire is active and earth is passive. Balance. No as I have already explained the elemental placements are aligned with the four winds of the earth and have nothing to do with the sun at all.

QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 5 2007, 06:18 PM) *
Not sure about others or if its a case of becoming accustomed to the energies involved but I have noticed my success rate seems a bit off. Have to admit I haven't felt the intellectual effect of the MP for a while or aquired the, 'voice' kind of state if u know what I mean. Is that normal? My rituals are good but it seems to have left me feeling lacklustered in regards, if you see my point. Was doing nothing different then I don't think.

Also... Fear. Its only one's self one is afraid of, nothing bad is going to happen, fear in its self is a sence, a warning signal, heightened awareness as fight or flight kicks in but yeesh! How do you overcome fear in a ritual? It dampens the practice as it makes (me personally) tone down the ritual in a animal like flight response... even then the LBRP etc are 'measly' when thinking about some of the other invoking rituals with other dieties involved so its obviously something that needs to be overcome.

It takes time to become proficient in this and any ritual. You should not be feeling fear from performing the LBRP. Perhaps it is the inner depths welling up or when people first start the LBRP you tend to light up the astral for awhile so you might be drawing astral junk to you.

QUOTE(Mchawi @ Jun 5 2007, 06:18 PM) *
Can't 'things' get under the pents? Shouldn't there be a pent on the floor?

No the circle is infinite.




QUOTE(animus @ Jun 6 2007, 04:19 AM) *
I want the circle in the LBRP yes, but what about the elemental pentagram rituals, without the circle, the banish/invoke goes further than if i would have a circle (then it would only go as far as inside the circle, no?


The circle is infinite. You are projecting the energies to the edge of the universe.


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or when people first start the LBRP you tend to light up the astral for awhile so you might be drawing astral junk to you.


Yeah thats it, get an astral twinge and it scares me, as though I'm suddenly not the only one around.

So Air is active, water is passive. How so, what does this mean exactly?

Guess electric blue is the best for cloaks. Knew it. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

Is there a best time to practice daily using planetary hours... Or even a specific day of the week?

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