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post Jun 2 2007, 11:46 AM
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a blog that ive been reading said that those who claims to be a witch but just read witchcraft books are fake.. he said that real witches are witches who has spirit mentors etc. and people who just learn witchcraft through books etc are nothing but fake witches. what do you think of this accusation?

by the way, this is the blog

http://filipinosorcery.blogspot.com/

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post Jun 6 2007, 02:17 AM
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QUOTE(53rdspirit @ Jun 5 2007, 07:52 PM) *
1) "...if you suspect you are being bewitched..."---then proceeds to tell you to do a spell. In my opinion, if you suspect you are being bewitched, you should perform some type of divination to determine what is going on. People should not just "guess" they are being worked, and just "guess" who is doing it. Spellwork can be harmful, debilitating and/or deadly and not something to just go zapping here and there and everywhere--that's so, well, kindergarten.

2) "...gather your own urine...rusty nails...boil...etc.,"--blogger does not mention anything about visualization, chants, directing energy, naming the person the spell is directed towards/returned to, or anything. Just boiling urine soup does nothing by itself.

3) "...caster will definitely take off the curse he placed upon you."--oh poppycock! An experienced witch/sorcerer, etc., would have taken care of that when they cast the original spell--made sure that the spell could not be reversed or any curse returned. The blogger will find out that the boiling urine soup curse/hex will just bounce right back to him/her and not reach the protected curse-originator at all.


Gah! Have you not read anything I have posted?

I see two possibilities in terms of responding to these points. The first is suggest that you refer to my prior post on why rustic C17th peasants thought this was a suitable way of dealing with a possible magical attack, and then apply some critical thinking (note the italicisation, it is important).

The second is to suggest that you refer to my prior comment that this stuff pre-dates Graves...that of course implies that it also pre-dates Blavatsky, Fortune, Gardner, "Results Magic" and the New Age movement. Having done so you should then apply some critical thinking.

Acid09,

See my previous comments to ascertain where he got the spell from.

I think that all is trying to do is present some ideas for workings derived from the primary sources that were extant at a time when belief in witchcraft was widespread. I admit that he would do well to cite his sources and make it clear that this is what is doing, and that such things are the foundation of the ideas he is posting on his blog. I suspect that to do so would probably help to allay a lot of the criticisms you guys are directing at him and I do not think there is any kind of questionable motivation involved. If anything, he is simply putting this material up as presumably he has noticed that there is a severe disinclination amongst those who would call themselves witches to actually get off their butts, do some research, and find these things out for themselves. After all, sounds a bit too much like hard work doesn't it?


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post Jun 6 2007, 08:47 AM
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QUOTE(J*S @ Jun 6 2007, 04:17 AM) *
Gah! Have you not read anything I have posted?

I see two possibilities in terms of responding to these points. The first is suggest that you refer to my prior post on why rustic C17th peasants thought this was a suitable way of dealing with a possible magical attack, and then apply some critical thinking (note the italicisation, it is important).

The second is to suggest that you refer to my prior comment that this stuff pre-dates Graves...that of course implies that it also pre-dates Blavatsky, Fortune, Gardner, "Results Magic" and the New Age movement. Having done so you should then apply some critical thinking."


J*S.

Not to quibble, but the blogger referred to in this thread is providing the inexperienced with antiquated magical practices to be used today, which although quaint and very interesting, are in my opinion pretty much impotent on their own (note the italicizations, they are important). I have researched and possess many old tomes of literature in my occult library on "rustic" 17th century witchcraft as well as the primitive occult practices of other cultures. I have a keen interest in this historical aspect of folk magic/witchcraft and incorporate some elements in my own spellwork whenever possible because I understand the reasoning behind ancient occult practices.

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ThirdDimension   Fake Witches?   Jun 2 2007, 11:46 AM
Rick   I agree with the fact that reading books isn't...   Jun 2 2007, 03:09 PM
The White Chaos   Okay I kinda get where he is coming from with the ...   Jun 2 2007, 06:36 PM
Edunpanna   I read the guys blog. I am skeptical of anyone wh...   Jun 2 2007, 07:15 PM
The White Chaos   I read the guys blog. I am skeptical of anyone wh...   Jun 2 2007, 07:45 PM
ThirdDimension   Lol, I know right. But I did find his little pee ...   Jun 3 2007, 09:02 AM
J*S   I am no expert, but I think if you look through th...   Jun 3 2007, 02:55 AM
J*S   Okay...the pee comment made me read the blog. Wha...   Jun 3 2007, 04:54 PM
The White Chaos   As a magician you will grow and find your own way,...   Jun 3 2007, 08:45 PM
J*S   As a magician you will grow and find your own way,...   Jun 4 2007, 01:33 AM
The White Chaos   They want old things, and the older the better. S...   Jun 4 2007, 06:37 PM
53rdspirit   Seems to me that boiling my own urine with rusty n...   Jun 4 2007, 10:50 AM
ThirdDimension   Seems to me that boiling my own urine with rusty n...   Jun 5 2007, 09:55 AM
53rdspirit   so was he tryin to make us curse ourselves? I do ...   Jun 5 2007, 12:52 PM
J*S   The theory behind the spell is that the magical li...   Jun 4 2007, 03:36 PM
53rdspirit   I would not include my own body fluids in a spell ...   Jun 4 2007, 03:54 PM
J*S   That's all fair comment TWC. I guess I reac...   Jun 5 2007, 08:51 AM
Edunpanna   That's all fair comment TWC. I guess I reac...   Jun 10 2007, 12:57 PM
J*S   As far as the pee goes here is an old Hoodoo trick...   Jun 11 2007, 12:44 AM
Edunpanna   That is cool! I am finding Hoodoo fascinating...   Jun 12 2007, 09:35 PM
53rdspirit   What do you think the significance of the urine is...   Jun 13 2007, 09:05 AM
Kranos   Why urine..... um. Because it is easier to come by...   Jun 22 2007, 02:19 PM
The White Chaos   I know right, lol I'm not trying to call anyon...   Jun 5 2007, 09:12 AM
Acid09   I would like to know where this "witch" ...   Jun 5 2007, 05:26 PM
Acid09   I took an introductory logic class once and we d...   Jun 7 2007, 06:35 PM
J*S   Okay, points taken from both of you, and some good...   Jun 8 2007, 12:24 AM
Acid09   I do think that having proper training is a far be...   Jun 8 2007, 06:34 PM
The White Chaos   I do think that having proper training is a far be...   Jun 10 2007, 04:46 AM
Acid09   Practice, experience, first hand knowledge. I mea...   Jun 10 2007, 10:55 AM
The White Chaos   I do find myself using Hoodoo and Santaria from ti...   Jun 11 2007, 08:24 AM
Acid09   You're just wierd... ok I'm teasing. I act...   Jun 12 2007, 06:30 PM
Acid09   If you're not afraid of a little pain getting...   Jun 22 2007, 02:59 PM
The White Chaos   If you're not afraid of a little pain getting ...   Jun 23 2007, 01:37 PM
Kranos   .... lol now I'm curious XD, what can you do w...   Jun 24 2007, 01:44 AM
Edunpanna   Well, you could make something similar to a Vodoun...   Jun 24 2007, 09:13 AM
Kranos   Vodoo is with blood. Hodoo is without. Hodoo wor...   Jun 24 2007, 01:41 PM
The White Chaos   Lol, yeah I've moved past being just an eclect...   Jul 2 2007, 05:40 PM

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