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Hi,
i'm new here and i have wanted to post but it takes forever to be included in the system. at any rate - i have done some invocation/evocation (i'm new still haven't worked out the difference) and this was all done about a year - yr and a half ago. i called a variety of spirits from the goetia because my visualization skills are next to nothing (i was desperate for help at the time so didn't stop to consider these shortcomings in my work) but was surprisingly successful for one so new - maybe it was the smell of a newbie that drew such success at any rate i don't feel that i would want to continue with any workings with the goetia. i am disinclined to the use of the system because i feel that slavery whether it be a spirit or another human is wrong. At any rate, my goal at the time at the evocations was not to exert control but solicit aid. in my negotians however - i know that i was lacking - but by the same token i would not take the time to ask questions here if i did not feel that such questions were warranted. Forgive me if i seem to be rambling a bit - but you must understand the circumstances from which i am posting in order to be able to answer the questions that follow. i read on here that some of you more seasoned practitioners have not had any spirits manifest themselves through the smoke of the incense that you burned - i have. possibly for the simple reason that my visualization skills are lacking - but perhaps there are other reasons that i could only fathom to guess? any ideas as to why they would choose to show themselves to an inherent newbie such as myself would be very interesting to know. the second thing is that one of the spirits that i called also manifested by voice... now he has since made his presence known - in fact more recently - but i am curious as to why he would choose to make his presence known after so long - and especially assuming that he was disinclined to give me a straight answer when i made my request. another thing that is very puzzling to me is that last night another spirit that i had called upon (but had forgotten about until last night) chose to make his presence known and now i'm not sure of his intent. have any of you encountered something similar to this? i'm sure that most of you weren't as new to this when you first started as i was - nor does it seem that you would undertake an endeaver which you don't fully understand. mine was simply an act of desperation in a private matter which has yet to be resolved - yet seems like it could swing one way or the other as far as those called upon to help me. tho i have been told that if it's been a while (like a yr) they're answer was more likely to be negative. Anyone with further information regarding this - or even willing to wage a guess would be most appreciated.
thanks
Sera

the voice i heard was auditory - scared the daylights out of me too! i wasn't expecting to hear anything let alone hear it with my ears. He only uttered one word "speak" that was it... nothing else - no greeting - nothing. it took me a full twenty to thirty minutes to get past the "Oh my God it worked!!!" stage to get to the point that i could actually ask what i wanted. now keep in mind this was a full two to three hours after i called him... whether or not he waited for that i don't know - then i wound up proceeding to ask him in telepathy instead of out loud - so i'm not sure he got the message that time tho i do believe that via other methods i got my request acrossed... it's a matter of whether or not he chose to answer or is choosing.. i have it on good faith that he at lest got it - as when he showed up he kinda demonstrated that - but he didn't give me an answer as to a yes or no to my request. i also have it on good faith that some of the spirits i was working with had a sense of humor as they kept making funny faces at me through the incense - i mentioned before that they used it to "solidify" their presence.. my suspicion is that it was due to my lack of visualization ability.. but that's only in theory - why if they can use the smoke to give them more of a presence - they don't with the seasoned practitioners is beyond me... i would think that they would use it more with them than with someone as inexperienced as me... at any rate - your thoughts on the matter are greatly appreciated and i hope to figure out what's going on from there...