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post Jun 2 2007, 11:46 AM
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a blog that ive been reading said that those who claims to be a witch but just read witchcraft books are fake.. he said that real witches are witches who has spirit mentors etc. and people who just learn witchcraft through books etc are nothing but fake witches. what do you think of this accusation?

by the way, this is the blog

http://filipinosorcery.blogspot.com/

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post Jun 5 2007, 08:51 AM
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That's all fair comment TWC.

I guess I reacted strongly because I was just surprised that some of the folks here didn't know about this stuff! You have hit the nail re: folks have to learn it on their own and not do things by wrote without understanding why (that doesn't mean that they all necessarily do though). This seems to be one constant in everyone's magical development in as much when they start they need formulas/rites with some history behind them, then as they progress they become more confident to wing it, having absorbed some basic principles through trial and error (it also tends be the case, as far as my observations are concerned, that one takes a much broader view of magic, allowing the incorporation of more "stuff"). I just wanted to make that distinction, but yeah, I can see that I was preaching to the choir.

53rdSpirit,

I agree that you can pick out some flaws in the "magical logic" of a lot of old folk magic...at least from our point of view, but remember that this stuff pre-dates Graves. I am just passing on my understanding of how people thought things worked then.


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post Jun 10 2007, 12:57 PM
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QUOTE(J*S @ Jun 5 2007, 10:51 AM) *
That's all fair comment TWC.

I guess I reacted strongly because I was just surprised that some of the folks here didn't know about this stuff! You have hit the nail re: folks have to learn it on their own and not do things by wrote without understanding why (that doesn't mean that they all necessarily do though). This seems to be one constant in everyone's magical development in as much when they start they need formulas/rites with some history behind them, then as they progress they become more confident to wing it, having absorbed some basic principles through trial and error (it also tends be the case, as far as my observations are concerned, that one takes a much broader view of magic, allowing the incorporation of more "stuff"). I just wanted to make that distinction, but yeah, I can see that I was preaching to the choir.

53rdSpirit,

I agree that you can pick out some flaws in the "magical logic" of a lot of old folk magic...at least from our point of view, but remember that this stuff pre-dates Graves. I am just passing on my understanding of how people thought things worked then.


Don’t be so surprised. Not only have I never practiced wicca or witchcraft. I have never hugged a tree either. Although I have chopped many down.

I do not have to dance around naked in the moonlight to understand that Mr. Blogger is full of it. After all I have dated enough witches to have a passing knowledge of something that does not really interest me.

As far as the pee goes here is an old Hoodoo trick. Break a mirror. Put the shards in a mason jar. Pee in it. Boil it. Bury it. Now supposedly when someone tries to work magick on you it will go into the mason jar bounce off the mirror shards amplify and return to the sender.

If that’s not gross enough for you here is an old witchcraft folklore trick. Urinate on your hands to protect yourself from magick. (IMG:style_emoticons/default/head_hurts_kr.gif)

Witchcraft is cool. I have no problems with it. Other than the occasional retard who claims he wrote the book on it.

No one knows everything. In truth we are all a bunch of retards when compared to the knowledge of the source.

Peace!

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post Jun 11 2007, 12:44 AM
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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Jun 10 2007, 07:57 PM) *
As far as the pee goes here is an old Hoodoo trick. Break a mirror. Put the shards in a mason jar. Pee in it. Boil it. Bury it. Now supposedly when someone tries to work magick on you it will go into the mason jar bounce off the mirror shards amplify and return to the sender.


That is cool! I am finding Hoodoo fascinating at the moment. If you know a little about all the various streams that have influenced it you can look at the spells which have resulted and see how practices from different parts of the world were combined together to produce them. Geeky perhaps, but it gives me pleasure! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)


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QUOTE(J*S @ Jun 11 2007, 02:44 AM) *
That is cool! I am finding Hoodoo fascinating at the moment. If you know a little about all the various streams that have influenced it you can look at the spells which have resulted and see how practices from different parts of the world were combined together to produce them. Geeky perhaps, but it gives me pleasure! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/smile.gif)



I left something out. I don't know if you are familiar with how vegetables etc. are canned in mason jars. These are glass jars with screw on metal lids. You boil them in a pot which gives an airtight seal. This is what preserves the goods.

If you are planning to try this it would serve you well to cut fingernails a bit of hair etc to stick in the jars.

You will want to can several jars this way. Bury the jars in places they will not be dug up or broken.

I have never tried this but a cool Voodoo Shaman in Georgia told me about this. I knew this guy for a little over a year before I moved to NYC. He is a Native American. Has an NIC # instead of a Social Security #. His tribe is one in Florida that is off spring of the Seminole tribe. That tribe in particular is half black. Because the Seminoles were mating with run away slaves.

So this guy was a Voodoo priest and a Native American Shaman. He was in his mid 50's and quite impressive with his knowledge. This little Hoodoo trick I got from him.

What do you think the significance of the urine is?

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post Jun 13 2007, 09:05 AM
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QUOTE(Edunpanna @ Jun 12 2007, 11:35 PM) *
What do you think the significance of the urine is?

The urine "personalizes" the work.

My theory on why urine, especially, is because you can get a lot of it to boil. Any "personal" body fluiids such as menstrual blood, semen, vaginal fluid, saliva, blood, etc.--well, how often can you get a mason jar full of those other fluids?--hmmm? A jar full of urine is the fastest, easiest and surest collection of a "personal" body fluid.

For those who don't care for handling body fluids, the "earthy" or "musky" scented herbs (vetiver, patchouli, and even sandalwood) can be used as substitutes.

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ThirdDimension   Fake Witches?   Jun 2 2007, 11:46 AM
Rick   I agree with the fact that reading books isn't...   Jun 2 2007, 03:09 PM
The White Chaos   Okay I kinda get where he is coming from with the ...   Jun 2 2007, 06:36 PM
Edunpanna   I read the guys blog. I am skeptical of anyone wh...   Jun 2 2007, 07:15 PM
The White Chaos   I read the guys blog. I am skeptical of anyone wh...   Jun 2 2007, 07:45 PM
ThirdDimension   Lol, I know right. But I did find his little pee ...   Jun 3 2007, 09:02 AM
J*S   I am no expert, but I think if you look through th...   Jun 3 2007, 02:55 AM
J*S   Okay...the pee comment made me read the blog. Wha...   Jun 3 2007, 04:54 PM
The White Chaos   As a magician you will grow and find your own way,...   Jun 3 2007, 08:45 PM
J*S   As a magician you will grow and find your own way,...   Jun 4 2007, 01:33 AM
The White Chaos   They want old things, and the older the better. S...   Jun 4 2007, 06:37 PM
53rdspirit   Seems to me that boiling my own urine with rusty n...   Jun 4 2007, 10:50 AM
ThirdDimension   Seems to me that boiling my own urine with rusty n...   Jun 5 2007, 09:55 AM
53rdspirit   so was he tryin to make us curse ourselves? I do ...   Jun 5 2007, 12:52 PM
J*S   The theory behind the spell is that the magical li...   Jun 4 2007, 03:36 PM
53rdspirit   I would not include my own body fluids in a spell ...   Jun 4 2007, 03:54 PM
Kranos   Why urine..... um. Because it is easier to come by...   Jun 22 2007, 02:19 PM
The White Chaos   I know right, lol I'm not trying to call anyon...   Jun 5 2007, 09:12 AM
Acid09   I would like to know where this "witch" ...   Jun 5 2007, 05:26 PM
J*S   1) "...if you suspect you are being bewitched...   Jun 6 2007, 02:17 AM
53rdspirit   Gah! Have you not read anything I have posted...   Jun 6 2007, 08:47 AM
Acid09   I took an introductory logic class once and we d...   Jun 7 2007, 06:35 PM
J*S   Okay, points taken from both of you, and some good...   Jun 8 2007, 12:24 AM
Acid09   I do think that having proper training is a far be...   Jun 8 2007, 06:34 PM
The White Chaos   I do think that having proper training is a far be...   Jun 10 2007, 04:46 AM
Acid09   Practice, experience, first hand knowledge. I mea...   Jun 10 2007, 10:55 AM
The White Chaos   I do find myself using Hoodoo and Santaria from ti...   Jun 11 2007, 08:24 AM
Acid09   You're just wierd... ok I'm teasing. I act...   Jun 12 2007, 06:30 PM
Acid09   If you're not afraid of a little pain getting...   Jun 22 2007, 02:59 PM
The White Chaos   If you're not afraid of a little pain getting ...   Jun 23 2007, 01:37 PM
Kranos   .... lol now I'm curious XD, what can you do w...   Jun 24 2007, 01:44 AM
Edunpanna   Well, you could make something similar to a Vodoun...   Jun 24 2007, 09:13 AM
Kranos   Vodoo is with blood. Hodoo is without. Hodoo wor...   Jun 24 2007, 01:41 PM
The White Chaos   Lol, yeah I've moved past being just an eclect...   Jul 2 2007, 05:40 PM

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