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post Dec 6 2006, 02:20 AM
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As you can tell from the topic title, all this stuff interests me and I'd like to be able to perform some of it, but everything about the Golden Dawn, Hermeticism, and Ceremonial Magick in general tends to freak me out. I'm a Roman Catholic and I'm obscenely worried about my spiritual self getting into some trouble by doing this stuff. Are there any 'Judeo-Christian' roots to these rituals? I mean it doesn't take a lot to notice the archangels and God's names in the rituals, but seeing videos of people using sinister voices and generally acting like they want to be Lucifer's best friend during said rituals is a little worrisome.

If anyone has any advice for me I'd really appreciate it. I want to be closer with my HGA and thereby God by doing a little magick everyday, I desperately want Him to work through me, but what if unwittingly I allow myself to be worked by an entity with less than amiable goals? Etc., etc.

Thanks in advance..

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QUOTE(JackConnor @ Dec 6 2006, 01:20 AM) *
As you can tell from the topic title, all this stuff interests me and I'd like to be able to perform some of it, but everything about the Golden Dawn, Hermeticism, and Ceremonial Magick in general tends to freak me out. I'm a Roman Catholic and I'm obscenely worried about my spiritual self getting into some trouble by doing this stuff. Are there any 'Judeo-Christian' roots to these rituals? I mean it doesn't take a lot to notice the archangels and God's names in the rituals, but seeing videos of people using sinister voices and generally acting like they want to be Lucifer's best friend during said rituals is a little worrisome.

If anyone has any advice for me I'd really appreciate it. I want to be closer with my HGA and thereby God by doing a little magick everyday, I desperately want Him to work through me, but what if unwittingly I allow myself to be worked by an entity with less than amiable goals? Etc., etc.

Thanks in advance..


I'd suggest some of the older grimoires and some High magick books would help you. They tend to be very soundly rooted in Judeo-Christian thought/belief.

-Modern Magick by Donald Michael Kraig
-Lesser Keys of Solomon (peterson edition)
-The Sacred Magick of Abramelin The Mage (mathers edition)

Also, don't worry if something seems to be 'evil' or 'wrong' to your point of view in a book. If it talks about something that you do not feel like doing, then do not do it. Now, this isn't permission to just completely skip over stuff that seems tedious, and it shouldn't be taken that way, I just mean that, if it goes against what you feel, them don't have to do it. Also, if it is something that you wish to do, but you feel like it will go against your beliefs or whatever, then you can just modify it to suit your beliefs.

A quick reference for you:
I have a friend who is a Christian, yet practices magick and invokes/calls forth energies from different deities other than Christ/God. I asked her how she justified doing this b/c it seemed to me, at the time, that it was going directly against it. She and I had a long discussion about it and I was amazed at how she justified it. She basically said that, if there was a "One and Only God" and if he was, like Jesus on earth (supposedly), a kind and benevolent ruler, then he would not punish her for helping others and herself with whatever means were available to her. In this case, the wasy she brought about healing and growth was magick. What it basically boiled down to was this great quote of hers that became kinda her own personal mantra: "If Jesus was around and saw what I was doing magick, I bet he'd be content in seeing that I was helping others."

Don't know if that helped at all. I hope it did. Goodluck on your journey and enjoy yourself along the way.

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Btw, for your own information, I have many friends who not only practice their faith in God, but magick too; you're not alone.


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JackConnor   Roman Catholic Worried...   Dec 6 2006, 02:20 AM
Radiant Star   I think maybe just go with what you truly, deeply ...   Dec 6 2006, 03:07 AM
JackConnor   I think maybe just go with what you truly, deeply ...   Dec 6 2006, 04:52 PM
Radiant Star   IT's not that I'd have to throw the baby o...   Dec 7 2006, 04:26 AM
The Sorceress   the mass is virtually a magickal ritual, but what ...   Apr 28 2007, 02:34 PM
Enochian   Hmmm maybe i can help. Im no mage but i am a pract...   Dec 6 2006, 06:07 PM
Acid09   I think a certain degree of introspection is in or...   Dec 6 2006, 06:59 PM
JackConnor   Hmmm maybe i can help. Im no mage but i am a pract...   Dec 6 2006, 09:33 PM
gmcbroom   I might be wrong but doesn't santeria and Vood...   Dec 6 2006, 09:12 PM
DeathStalker   Hey man my best suggestion to you would be to stud...   Dec 6 2006, 11:42 PM
Frater Yechidah   Satanists don't use the LBRP, to my knowledge,...   Dec 7 2006, 07:13 AM
Nero   I am catholic as well and I practice ceremonial ma...   Dec 7 2006, 08:33 AM
Pilgrim Child   Both Paul Foster Case and W.E.Butler served as pri...   Dec 7 2006, 01:19 PM
JackConnor   Wow, suffice it to say there's a lot of stuff ...   Dec 7 2006, 03:07 PM
Enochian   This thread has progressed nicely. I like the ide...   Dec 12 2006, 01:45 PM
waldoworld   I see this question over and over again and I gu...   Jan 10 2007, 07:55 PM
Lucian   Ave I dare to disagree with you waldoworld. The k...   Jan 11 2007, 03:53 AM
business voodoo   hi ... most of what everyone practices is ritual b...   Jan 15 2007, 02:04 AM
Bb3   Ave I dare to disagree with you waldoworld. The k...   Jan 15 2007, 09:33 AM
Enochian   Hmmm i agree with most right up until the end here...   Jan 15 2007, 10:46 AM
business voodoo   enochian ... i totally feel you as that is exactly...   Jan 15 2007, 02:52 PM
Enochian   Thanks Business. This topic came up for me prior t...   Jan 15 2007, 03:54 PM
Lucian   Ave Enochian, I will edit this later, but one thi...   Jan 16 2007, 12:30 AM
Enochian   LOL yes i know the two are not the same. The simon...   Jan 16 2007, 10:58 AM
plainsight   God and Lucifer don't exactly play on the same...   Jan 17 2007, 12:29 PM
Enochian   Thats all good. But i think his point is if he can...   Jan 17 2007, 02:12 PM
esoterica   been there, done that - just keep your mouth shut ...   Jan 17 2007, 04:38 PM
Eyes of God   John, I have felt exactly the way that you have. ...   Jan 19 2007, 12:42 AM
BrotherM   believe it or not, I was a Catholic as well. I wen...   Jan 25 2007, 08:35 AM
dynajam   If anyone has any advice for me I'd really app...   Jan 25 2007, 03:20 PM
Sero Sed Serio   Hi I am new to this forum, having just joined tod...   Feb 8 2007, 04:47 PM
Lucian   Ave The famous magickal son of Crowley, Frater Ac...   Feb 8 2007, 06:59 PM
Khenti_Amenti   Ave The famous magickal son of Crowley, Frater Ac...   Apr 28 2007, 10:11 AM
redbreast   Jack, you've been given some great advice and ...   Apr 25 2007, 07:28 PM
extinctionspasm   This existence is vast. There is so much to all of...   May 11 2007, 10:41 AM
tyrian   To want desperately for God to work through you is...   Jun 10 2007, 08:30 PM
Frater526   93! Wuuuuhhhh. That is an argument I often ...   Jun 23 2007, 12:22 PM
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