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The Reality of Global Warming
Is it real?
YES!!! [ 27 ] ** [84.38%]
NO!!! [ 2 ] ** [6.25%]
How the Hell should I Know?!!! [ 1 ] ** [3.12%]
F#$% you Acid I'm not playing [ 2 ] ** [6.25%]
Do you believe human activities have caused or speed up global warming?
YES!!! [ 19 ] ** [59.38%]
NO!!! [ 10 ] ** [31.25%]
No F#$%ing clue dude [ 3 ] ** [9.38%]
Which of the following, if any, do you believe have contributed to global warming?
Deforrestation [ 17 ] ** [15.74%]
Air pollution / green house gasses. [ 20 ] ** [18.52%]
Over Population [ 18 ] ** [16.67%]
Toxic matterials and wastes [ 16 ] ** [14.81%]
Google [ 5 ] ** [4.63%]
Industrialization of under developed countries [ 15 ] ** [13.89%]
Other (please explain cuz I'm running out of ideas) [ 9 ] ** [8.33%]
Cow Farts (technically methane is a green house gas) [ 8 ] ** [7.41%]
Do you think we can really do anything to stop or even slow down Global Warming?
YES!!! [ 12 ] ** [37.50%]
Hell NO!! We're gonna burn baby!!! [ 15 ] ** [46.88%]
No F#$%ing clue man. [ 5 ] ** [15.62%]
Total Votes: 204
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post Jun 20 2007, 06:47 PM
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Ok as usual I will hold back at first to try and not taint the topic with any percieved biased notions and wait for others to add their opinions. The intention of this topic is to discuss the reality of gloabal warming, what people are doing to cause it (if we even are), and what can be done about it, if anything. Global warming is a highly debatable topic all opinions welcome just remember to keep it cool because it may contribute to global warming if you don't.
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post Jun 25 2007, 06:53 PM
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My aunt's flowers bloomed about 3 weeks before they usually do. Yet on average this winter has been on the coldest in years. (at least in my location). One scientist says the ice caps will melt in 150 years another says it'll happen in 10000 years. And yet on discovery and those other intellectual channels say the Earth is most likely ended it's temperate period and entering a global heat wave where it will eventually cool back down into another ice age. All this is just part of a grand climatic cycle that we really have little control over. Who's really right anyways.

I will state the obvious though. When it comes to the destruction of the environment, global warming or not, people have been by far the most devistating to this planet that we know of. The problem, imo, is human growth. We've all probably heard the idea that the planet can only maintain 8 billion people. My uncle, in a similar discussion, bet that 30 years ago some scientist figured only 6 billion. Again who's really right? Regardless as long as humanity continues to grow it will consume more and more resources. And the real problem is not developed countries but under-developed countries that are just starting to grow into real industrial powers. Especially countries like China, India, Indonesia and Mylasia. Nearly half the world's population is in that region of the planet. We might point to technological innovations to stem the problem. And sure we could build dams construct tidal harnesses on the ocean's shoes, take advantage of wind, solar and geo thermal energy. But at what cost to the environment? Not just the damage a single dam can have on an area's ecology, but the actualy cost on the environment to build the stuff in the first place. We might be building re-newable energy resources that in the long run might be beneficial but building a wind farm might actually require more resources to build than say a natural gas plant. There's the trade off.

While I don't think we've put enough green house gasses into the atmosphere to really contribute to global warming; gloabal warming is also increased by a thing called albedo. Its basically how much energy the Earth reflects back into space. Lower albedo means more heat is warming the surface and high albedo visa versa. High albido is caused by reflective surfaces such as sand and ice. The one thing I've seen over and over is that the Earth is warming up. Really there just might not be anything we can do about it. And the warming the Earth is the smaller the ice caps are and lower the Earth's albedo. So obviously as the Earth's ice caps melt the Earth will warm up. Now if we really did add a significant amount of green house gasses we'd really be screwing ourselves because the gasses would act like a blanket. But again if the figure of 0.001% is even close then that is not a significant amount. What we don't know is the over all impact the de-forrestation will have on global warming. Obviously it will ruin the ecology of many regions, but as these places become more sandy that might actually increase the planets albedo, possibly slowing down how fast the Earth warms up - no way am I trying to justfy stripping these places just point out how little we really know about global warming. Yet there is no way we could really know for certain. One thing is for certain we can at least slow global warming. The question is are we willing to pay for it.

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Acid09   Global Warming   Jun 20 2007, 06:47 PM
Imperial Arts   One medium-sized volcanic eruption dwarfs the enti...   Jun 20 2007, 07:17 PM
Acid09   I'm glad you brought that up. Taking astronom...   Jun 21 2007, 01:26 PM
Galdr Nidsson   You scare me guys... :cry: Aren't you a li...   Jun 22 2007, 10:01 PM
Ashnook   Cut out Hilary and all the socialism, is green rea...   Jul 13 2007, 06:11 AM
Sarena   I'm bored of the environment. All I hear is ...   Jun 30 2007, 10:06 AM
Galdr Nidsson   [size=1][color=#990000]I'm bored of the enviro...   Jul 2 2007, 02:37 AM
Xenomancer   Despite the the fact that there are many valid the...   Jul 1 2007, 05:04 PM
Sarena   Yes, it's saving dirt. And currently this ...   Jul 2 2007, 03:40 AM
Gregathol   More imminent issues. Right. :D I think the pl...   Jul 3 2007, 09:37 AM
Sarena   Violations of human rights. Children starving. Ine...   Jul 4 2007, 11:35 AM
Gregathol   All I'm saying is that without our environment...   Jul 4 2007, 08:40 PM
Sarena   [size=1]If you look above I said that we should st...   Jul 4 2007, 10:46 PM
Acid09   I would argue we are putting more effort into the...   Jul 5 2007, 06:24 PM
Slayden   *annoyed* Um... you can blame teh son fer globe-il...   Jul 7 2007, 08:18 AM
Sarena   I'm changing my opinion about global warming-I...   Jul 8 2007, 11:06 PM
Slayden   Read my post. It's not CO2 emmissions. It...   Jul 8 2007, 11:46 PM
Acid09   Man f%*! the polar bears. People like Oprah ha...   Jul 10 2007, 04:49 PM
Slayden   :goodposting: I agree 100%. Global warming is a ...   Jul 11 2007, 11:46 PM
Nero   Something is happening with the earth. The ice cap...   Jul 13 2007, 07:40 AM
Acid09   You are right about the volcano myth as far as con...   Jul 20 2007, 05:01 PM
paxx   Global warming is currently happening, at a very s...   Oct 28 2007, 09:49 AM
Acid09   Yeah I mean weren't nagasaki and hiroshima re...   Nov 7 2007, 10:24 PM
paxx   Ok, assume global warming is happening and we are ...   Nov 8 2007, 02:14 AM
Acid09   Green house gasses are like a blanket that both ...   Nov 8 2007, 07:23 PM
Acid09   There are approximately 5.148 x 10^12 (5,148,000,0...   Jun 1 2008, 05:35 PM
Esoterigma   There are approximately 5.148 x 10^12 (5,148,000,0...   Jun 3 2008, 02:17 AM
Acid09   Some anthropologists theorize that past ice ages ...   Jun 3 2008, 09:37 PM

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