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altpath
post Jul 3 2007, 01:26 PM
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Hey everyone,

I'm almost finished with a hebrew goetic circle I'm making, and I've already checked out all the hebrew names (in english and hebrew, cross referencing with crowleys goetic circle and various online sources) but unfortunately, I can't find a site that actually has the hebrew letter names for metatron. It looks to me like metatron, in crowleys circle, is spelled with a zy-in at the end, but that doesn't make sense to me. So can someone spell out the names for me? I've got mehm-teht-teht-resh-vahv-and of course the zy-in. But like I said, that doesn't sound right to me. Seems to me it should have a nun at the end.

Can somebody be kind enough to clear that up for me? The hebrew fonts on most sites are terrible!


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post Jul 4 2007, 10:27 PM
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This is getting offtopic but *sigh* why not?
My suggestion is to use a physical circle if practical. This way, in its construction you 'fix' it into your mental sphere and thereby begin creating it on the astral. If you plan on gaining material results of evocation, etc. then a physical circle will be in order. I can't be too strong in pointing out that a magician needs to construct, in detail, his operating space in the astral. The magician should also have a sanctuary space in the astral/mental planes for a bolt hole to rest and recuperate during times of seige. I could write volumes about this...which may be a good idea so as to not digress from other (this) threads. A physical circle reinforces the circle in the astral. and gives you crib notes you can read from if necessity demands it! If you are operating from a formal temple then the need for a circle isn't as important. Again, this can be thoroughly discussed elsewhere. Sometimes circles are needed to keep things in as well as out. In Wicca, they are oft used to help raise a cone of energy.

The names of various angels and demons can be found in other texts other than Crowley or Mathers. Liber 777 though is still a valuable correspondence table(s). But...certain sources of various different occult orders have played with the spelling of some of these names...either to further their own views of Gematria or for whatever it is convenient for their purposes. Find a good Hebraic thesaurus or scholarly treatise to work with. I have found that a pendulum scrying 'check' of the name/spelling a good backup idea. Your choice, your move, your work!
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post Jul 7 2007, 01:52 PM
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QUOTE(bym @ Jul 4 2007, 11:27 PM) *
This is getting offtopic but *sigh* why not?


Sorry about that Bym. I'll get back on topic with another relevant question.

There are two different spellings for metatron, one is a 6 letter name, and the other is a 7 letter name. I read that the first represents one version of him (as an angel I think), and the other I'm not sure about.

So does anybody know which is which, and why???


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I've found that the hebrew is too small to go all the way around the circle three times the way it's drawn in the manuscripts and books so I'm just assuming it's like that to simply be an example, and not the way it's really supposed to look. So far, I'm thinking that the names will only go around the circle once and a half times.

Had the same problem myself! (IMG:style_emoticons/default/laugh.gif)

You always have to make the lettering bigger than you think. Don't think it's much of a problem if it doesn't wrap around the circle 3 times, only thing I wouldn't like is if there was a large, empty gap between the beginning and end of the string of words.

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There are two different spellings for metatron, one is a 6 letter name, and the other is a 7 letter name. I read that the first represents one version of him (as an angel I think), and the other I'm not sure about.

So does anybody know which is which, and why???

Haven't heard of that, do you know what the extra letter is?

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QUOTE(Zugzwang @ Jul 14 2007, 12:41 PM) *
Haven't heard of that, do you know what the extra letter is?


I got the names below from the wiki page on him.

מטטרון or מיטטרון

The only difference is a yud is added, which seems to be incorrect to me. I can't seem to find the page where I read that one name represents one aspect, and the other is another aspect. I guess that just depends on what he has to say about it.


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