[quote name='clips' date='Jul 17 2007, 12:04 AM' post='32245']
"in the tetrabiblos ptolemy says that by using astrology some "fates" can be avoided."
By referring to "fates" do you mean like outcomes of different situations like if you will fall off a bike? or something more meaningful than that? or either one?
---------> Both really, but it seems more likely that you can avoid something like falling off your bike since maybe that will only be represented as say the moon squaring mercury. Since the Moon moves 1 degree every two hours it will clear that 90 degree angle with Mercury fairly quickly. Major things really can't be avoided... for example a friend of mine has his natal Mars and Venus at 23 and 21 degrees Leo respectively, well, for the past year he has been being jerked around by the same chick. In early December of 2006 Saturn made it all the way to 25 degrees Leo before it began to retrograde (at this point he considered the relationship over). By April 20th 2007 Saturn stopped retrograding (going backwards) and began to go direct from 18 Degrees Leo. For June to July of this year Saturn will once again travel between 20-25 degrees Leo, in the process dominating his Venus/Mars conjunction at 21-23 Leo. Thus, Saturn once again began to conjunct his natal (birthchart) Venus/Mars conjunction starting exactly in June, right when this girl came home from college and went back to the job he is still working at that was also the place of their initial meeting. Because of this aspect trouble with his love life absolutely could not be avoided... So, The quicker and "lighter" planets seem like they are easier to work around or even incorporate into your life, while the heavier planets which move slower: mainly Mars, Jupiter and Saturn (and Uranus, Neptune, Pluto; though those are more generational) will cause events that are much harder to avoid. It also depends on what points these alignments are taking place; generally the most sensitive points on a chart without taking into account planetary positions will be the Ascendent (cusp of the 1st and 12th house) the Imum Coeli (cusp of the 3rd and 4th), the Descendent (6th/7th cusp) and the Midhaven (9th/10th house). For my friend, this Saturn Mars/Venus conjunction is taking place in the 7th house, which is the house of Libra: marriage, enemies, partners, "the other", etc.
"Of course the fates you can't avoid have to do with heavier planets and stronger and more complex angles. For example, if you are going through an exact grandcross (4 planets at 90 degrees from each other) you will probably not be able to avoid the outcome, same as with a grandtrine."
These type of alignment isn't very usual, or is it? if they aren't does it mean that only once in a while you can avoid some fates?
---------> Grand Trines, Grand Crosses and Grand Sextiles are rare, but not extremely rare. For example. In my natal birth chart I have my moon at 5 degrees Leo, and Jupiter and Uranus in Sagittarius at 1 and 5 degrees respectively, So whenever a planet passes through the early degrees of Aries I experience a grandtrine. If someone has say a T-Square in their natal chart, meaning they had 3 planets 90 degrees apart from each other at the time of their birth (say Sun at 10 Virgo, Saturn at 10 Pisces, and Jupiter at 10 Sagittarius) then any time a planet passes through 10 degrees Gemini they will undergo a Grandcross... Now say the planet that was passing through 10 Gemini was the Sun, a way that some misery could be avoided would be if one was lucky enough to have Venus or Jupiter trining anyone of the planets in the Grandcross... by this way tension would be released. Think of a wooden box with four 90 walls, you press on it with your foot and there is no where for the force to go but into the hard right angle joints, if you have another release point of say 60 or 120 degrees you can syphon off some of the hard energy. It is the same principle as a pointed roof on a house.
"But if you are faced with a problem represented as a semi-square, or even a weak square and have a release of tension in the form of a connecting trine or a sextile you may be able to avoid the bad aspect of the square (say if mars is squaring the sun, but you also have a jupiter trine with the sun). So, really you have the illusion of freewill but everything seems predetermined."
What do you mean semi-square, weak square, release of tension in the form of a conecting trine or a sextile? What would be the aspect of the square? (IMG:
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Could you elaborate more on the whole astrology lingo please, i am not very knowledgeable in astrology. Sorry if i'm turning the whole topic of the original post to astrology, but i think it's relevant to those ignorant in astrology in order to understand the comment made. (IMG:
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----------> Semi-square is a 45 degree angle, a Weak Square would be an 85 or 95 degree angle (not a perfect 90 degrees), a connecting trine or sextile. The zodiac is based on 360 degrees, there are 12 signs and each one has 30 degrees of the circle. There are 3 different "qualities" of signs, Cardinals: Aries, Cancer, Libra, Capricorn (creators of energy), Fixed: Taurus, Leo, Scorpio, Aquarius (maintainors of energy), Mutables: Gemini, Virgo, Sagittarius, Pisces (changers and enders of energy), each one of these three sets of 4 signs lay in a cross pattern from each other (for example aries is 90 degrees from cancer is 90 degrees from libra is 90 degrees from capricorn). There are also four different elements each possessing three signs: Fire: Aries, Leo, Sagittarius. Earth: Taurus, Virgo, Capricorn. Air: Gemini, Libra, Aquarius. Water: Cancer, Scorpio, Pisces. each of these elemental triplicities lay 120 degrees from each other, in triangular formation... So what I mean by a connecting trine to a Square would be say you have the Sun in Capricorn and the Moon in Libra. Here the Sun in Capricorn is forming a square with the Moon in Libra. This would be a hard 90 degree angle. Say Venus is Taurus - it would form a trine the Sun in Capricorn that is also squaring Libra. Thus, it is hoped that the negative energy that is being formed by the conflicting energies of Capricorn Sun and Libra Moon could be diverted into the positive outlet of Sun in Capricorn trine Venus in Taurus... It would help a lot of it drew it out on a chart and posted it.
Fate?, Opinion and perspective welcomed...
Myroku Fate? Jul 12 2007, 10:17 PM
Jul 12 2007, 10:17 PM
